Use of spy agency reports could have averted chaos
It observed: “Whichever way the results go, Kalenjins are planning to attack Kikuyus and invade their farms.”
KIBAKI COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS BLOODSHED IF ONLY HE ACTED ON NSIS REPORT! THIS IS SO SAD!
While there is evidence of good information gathering, intelligence preparation and understanding of security issues, there is a weakness in translating this into clear, demonstrable and useful operational interventions.

Ngii Ndune.
Every catastrophe that has befallen this world could have been prevented, including the holocaust. Beyond saying what every one knows, what specifics things do you think can be taken as we move forward?
Everyone always knows the problem but we seem to have no solutions.

Lets discuss solutions and how to save ourselves from future destruction.

The solution is right there Kibaki act on NSIS report!

However, in most parts of the country affected by the violence, failure on the part of the Kenya Police and the Provincial Administration to act on intelligence and other early warning signs contributed to the escalation of the violence.
The post-election violence is also the story of lack of preparedness of, and poor
coordination among, different state security agencies. While the National
Security Intelligence Service seemed to possess actionable intelligence on the
likelihood of violence in many parts of the country, it was not clear whether and
through which channel such intelligence was shared with operational security
agencies. The effectiveness of the Kenya Police Service and the Administration
Police was also negatively affected by the lack of clear policing operational
procedures and by political expediency’s adverse impact on their policing
priorities.
EXCERPTS FROM THE REPORT.

She Is Raped While Husband Is Being Killed On 1 January 2008, 36 years old Elizabeth W. and her husband were attacked in their house in Eldama Ravine by a group of Kalenjin, some of whom she knew. She was gang raped while her husband was being hacked to death and her shop looted. Following is an extract of her testimony: On 1 January 2008 we were still fearful. We didn’t open our business. I worked at the Eldama Ravine shopping centre at Mama Faith’s Shop. We owned the shop. It was just next to my house – they are joined together. But I stayed at home that day because I was scared. We left the shop locked up. At about 3pm that day, people came to my home. At the time there was only my husband and me at home. My children had gone to visit their grandparents in Nyandarua. There were more than ten people who came. They were all men. They were dressed in coats and they had smeared mud on their faces so you could not recognize them. The mud was different colors on their faces – white back and red in spots -- patches all over their faces. They were armed. They had arrows, pangas and rungus. The first I knew they were there was when I heard talking and noises outside. They were speaking in Kalenjin. They said “we have come to finish you”. The door was not locked so they just came inside. My husband and I were in the sitting room. We were sitting down but stood up when the men came in. When they came in I started pleading with them because of what I had heard them saying outside. I told them why were they doing this when we had lived with them. They ordered me to shut up and said that the Kikuyu had migrated to the area and taken up their (the Kalenjin’s) property. They said I should keep quiet or they were going to kill me. So I just kept quiet then. 95 That is when they started attacking my husband.They were cutting him with pangas and piercing him with arrows. They were struggling with my husband and trying to get him to the ground. The men were crowding on him – it might have been most of them attacking my husband. I was scared. They cut my husband on the neck with a panga and that made him fall to the ground. It was a serious blow. After that they were cutting every part of his body. After my husband was cut, but before he died, one of the men came towards me and asked me what I wanted to be done to me. I asked them not to kill me. One said we need to know what she is like, now that she never talks to us.There was another group of men who were looting my shop. I could see them from the door – it was still open. They were going past carrying property from my shop, such as sugar, cooking fat and other goods. I was wearing trousers with buttons at the waist.The men tore at my trousers trying to get them open and the buttons came off. There were about four of them there doing this to me at that time. They lifted me up and put me on the ground. They were arguing among themselves who was going to be first. Then one said that if I escaped from the knife and arrows, I would die of AIDS. Some of them held my legs and some held my hands while they raped me. When this was happening my husband and I were both still in the sitting room, but by now I was not watching my husband but pleading my own case. The last time I had looked, it was like he was dead. He wasn’t moving. One man raped me and then the second one and the third.They put their penises in my vagina.It was either the second or the third man who said they were not able to get in me properly so they cut me. I think it was the panga they were carrying that they used. They cut my vagina. When I had my children, the Doctor told me I had a narrow opening. Both my children were born by caesarean. They continued raping me. It was when the fourth man was raping me that I went unconscious… I next remember – and it is vague – that a Kalenjin friend of ours called Joseph was there and he was pleading with the men. He was asking them for him to be allowed to take the body of my husband and take me to hospital. The men started quarrelling with him and told him that he was in partnership with us. They threatened to kill him.[…]
EXCERPTS FROM WAKI REPORT.MUST ADMIT THIS GOT ME!

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My GOODNESS!!!

And Kibaki has the Audacity to say the word `forgive'?
To President Kibaki: Tribunal OR Hague OR YOU RESIGN!!

I know forgive is what the Bible says and all Christians advocate for it, its also easier said than done especially if you didnt go thru it, but its a very hard thing in the real sense. and it takes alot of time to heal all those wounds, physical, mental etc. its even worse when those said guys still threaten others and make life hell for them. i guess its the toughest of all calls (the Biblical forgive your enemy... )hard thing maybe even impossible if you ask me. unless God intervenes because Christians have failed in their roles.

No forgiveness. It is either THE HAGUE or THE TRIBUNAL. I as a Kikuyu, am really fed up with this crap that every 5 ears our people are killed, maimed, raped. The victims have spoken.

Utter bestiality!, but we all know that there is not going to be a Hague, and Kibaki is not going to resign.

I try to encourage myself by the following 'Vengeance is mine saysthe lord I Will repay'
'The mills of God grind slowly but they grind exceedingly small'

'Our god works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform'

Though I surrender my destiny to God it does not make me passive.

Expecting Hague or Kibaki to resign is being passive we must demand by all means that this happens if we are convicted it is the right thing.

I call for public hangings.

How do u start forgiving such beasts!!! imagine seeing them every day. How does someone move on with life after that?

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Originally posted by safari76:
How do u start forgiving such beasts!!! imagine seeing them every day. How does someone move on with life after that?

DEATH TO THE MURDERERS AND RAPIST. CURSE BE ON THE UPTO THEM SEVENTH GENERATION.

AIMUO NIIRI ACIO MAROTHUA NA RIUA!
MOROTHAHA.

Mostly and importantly justice to all! May fairness and closure to the victims and perpetrators be achieved.We'll be entirely be missing the point if we don't qualitatively address the 'historical injustices' and other various issues for they're perceived to be legitimate enough by some Kenyans worth to kill other Kenyans.

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Originally posted by Ngii Ndune!!:
Mostly and importantly justice to all! May fairness and closure to the victims and perpetrators be achieved.We'll be entirely be missing the point if we don't qualitatively address the 'historical injustices' and other various issues for they're perceived to be legitimate enough by some Kenyans worth to kill other Kenyans.

Ngii

Justice is applicable only in civilisation, not among beasts. What justice can be done for the couple reported above?

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MUCH I WANT VENGEANCE BUT WE MUST NOT LET EMOTIONS CARRY THE DAY. HOLOCAUST PERPETRATORS HAD A DAY IN COURT.THE CURRENT CONSTITUTION HAS COMMENDABLE PUNISHMENTS FOR THOSE WHO KILLED,RAPED AND PILLAGED.I HONESTLY WANT THEM TO SPEND THEIR SENTENCES IN KENYA IN THE HAGUE IT IS TOO COMFY BUT THE BUFFOONS IN PARLIAMENT CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN.
NOW I REALIZE THE BRILLIANCE OF WAKI'S RECOMMENDATION AS READ ABOUT COMMENTS FROM MPs.REGRETTABLY,THERE IS HOPE IN ICC RATHER THAN INDIGENOUS JUSTICE FOR OUR MPs ARE INCAPABLE OF JUSTICE AND RULE OF LAW,SO SAD!