The restoration of peace to some of us give us a golden opportunity to interrogate the reasons that sank us so low. It is a strategic moment that all right thinking (remember “thinking” is not always right) should seize and create safeguards against future recurrence. It seems to me that some of you feel elated to see our people who had farms, good houses and in gainful employment languishing in filthy camps, dispossessed and bereft of all human dignity. Children who should be in school idling away in those displaced camps, robbed of their human right to attend school and enjoy all the other rights by virtue of being human beings. Perhaps it would thrill you more to learn that Mungiki is now lurking behind the shadows waiting at the slightest opportunity to set up extortion rings and gangs in the guise of protecting you! And impose dress codes like they have done in Naivasha and Nakuru. Now that is foresight (not myopic thinking like mine!).

Now, in the absence of peace, how are we to help the displaced? How are these people to get back to their resources and how are they to start or get on their lives? I guess foresight and common sense dictate that we let Kenya go into civil war to settle the scores. The sight of blood pleases you so much that it reminds you of valentine day! That is the reason why even as you advocate for war, your are typing your thoughts from the war fronts in Kuresoi, kipkelion, Endebess, Solai, Molo etc. I lost 2 relatives in Molo; I know how it feels to be directly affected. My farm is in Rongai, and I know the many times my elderly parents slept outside for fear of attack. I believe this pleases you more!

When some of us talk of investments, we are so shortsighted, for investments can only conjure images of money and material possessions in our weak minds. Families and lives do not fall under this category. The future of everybody else clearly does not feature here. That is why we are all in the frontline. I mean all of us with foresight. Nobody is in Canada, USA, Sweden et al because people have been killed, maimed and raped! That would be myopic, and we can ill afford myopia at this time! I remember when all this shiet came up, Kenyans of all walks prayed for peace. The images of people hacking each other, grannies uprooted from homes they have known all

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Originally posted by wamax:
Rekei andu a Nyumba tu-support thayu tutikeruo ni ithui twatuikire spoilers.
Get excited like the rest of Kenyans. It wont hurt one bit. Neither are you guys in a position to change anything!

Cant agree more! I dont think war is the solution... it will be adding salt to a wound!But the rival communities need to talk to each other so that they can reconcile and start all over again.It may be hard but it can be done!!!

Dear Jiku, John Kenya and the other so called foresighted seers of Kiuk.com,

To some of us, restoration of peace gives us a golden opportunity to interrogate the reasons that sank us so low. It is a strategic moment that all right thinking (remember “thinking” is not always right) should seize and create safeguards against future recurrence. It seems to me that some of you feel elated to see our people who had farms, good houses and in gainful employment languishing in filthy camps, dispossessed and bereft of all human dignity. Children who should be in school are now idling away in displaced camps, robbed of their most basic human right to attend school and enjoy all the rights by virtue of being human beings. Perhaps it would thrill you more to learn that Mungiki is now lurking behind the shadows waiting at the slightest opportunity to set up extortion rings and gangs in the guise of protecting you! And impose dress codes like they have done in Naivasha and Nakuru. Now that is foresight (not myopic thinking like mine!).

In the absence of peace, how are we to help the displaced? How are these people to get back to their resources and how are they to start or get on their lives? I guess foresight and common sense dictate that we let Kenya go into civil war to settle the scores. The sight of blood pleases you so much that it reminds you of valentine day! That is the reason why even as you advocate for war, your are typing your thoughts from the war fronts in Kuresoi, kipkelion, Endebess, Solai, Molo etc. I lost 2 relatives in Molo; I know how it feels to be directly affected. My farm is in Rongai, and I know the many times my elderly parents slept outside for fear of attack. I believe this pleases you more!

When some of us talk of investments, we are so shortsighted, for investments can only conjure images of money and material possessions in our weak minds. Families and lives do not fall under this category. The future of everybody else clearly does not feature here. That is why we are all in the frontline. I mean all of us with foresight. Nobody is in Canada, USA, Sweden et al because people have been killed, maimed and raped! That would be myopic, and we can ill afford myopia at this time! I remember when all this shiet came up, Kenyans of all walks prayed for peace. The images of people hacking each other, grannies uprooted from homes they have known all their lives, and children being raped for too much to bear. But perhaps not so for some of those gifted with wisdom to see far!

So, I guess it was better to split the baby into halves. That is the wisdom borne of foresight. Who tells you that perpetrators of genocide will go unpunished? Who tells you that justice will not be done to the victims? Shouldn’t we seize this strategic moment to lay a firm foundation that will stand the test of time? As the most aggrieved tribe, does this give us a strategic moment to come up with better early warning systems (as a community) and have in place mechanisms that will eternally protect the community? Maybe, foresight dictate that we should go back to snuff sniffing and circumcising our daughters and sisters Mungiki style. And we should start with your sisters, daughters, mothers, aunties, yee people with foresight. When all is said and done, we seek please not to please you or satisfy you, but to safeguard the greater good of our people. Your solutions whatever they may be are welcome but so should be ours. What will happen if Kambas, Somalis, Taitas and the rest of the communities where our people have interest turn against our own in future? Be fair to yourself and STYLE UP.

To the writer who believes only they have the right to an opinion because they hail from the Rift Valley, you are not the only one, we all have horror stories and some are darker than yours. We don't have to see the situation the same way to be considered advocates of peace. Some of us have chosen not to bury our heads in the sand as we blow the peace trumpet. We can blow the peace trumpet and at the same time demand justice. The 2 positions should not be considered opposing forces, they can go hand in hand.

Innocent lives were lost during the clashes of 1992 and 1997. This continous violence targeted at the kikuyus calls for long term solutions. Among the long term solutions is the need for absolute justice through the courts for the dead, maimed, raped, orphaned, homeless etc.... If by us calling for justice means you unleash vernom on us then please continue to unleash.....For justice is a position most of us believe in. To intepret this call for justice as a call for violence is to totally misunderstand what it means to demand justice as a means of achieving long term peace - it is known in law enforcement as a deterrent. There must be consequences to human behaviour that casuses death and destruction! That these perpertrators did not face consequences in 1992 & 1997 has led us to this point. Might I ask, how did forgivness in 1992 & 1997 work out for us? The violence was escalated to higher levels in 2007/2008!

The idea of pursuing short term peace solutions is mypoic in that it will enable businesses to get back on track for the next 5 years before the start of the next cycle of violence. I fail to understand how this benefits the country. Again, there must be consequences in order for the behaviour to change! It is that simple!

The writer says the "the restoration of peace gives us a golden opportunity to interrogate the reasons that sank us so low." I ask, why wasn't the opportunity taken to interrogate these same reasons in 1992 & 1997? Had this happened we may not have found ourselves in this horrific situation of pure death and destruction again in 2007/2008!

Again, we don't all have to bare our personal stories here in order to gain credibilty for the positions we hold. It should not be a competition of who has suffered the most. If we make it a competition, then I can most likely top your experiences of horror and some else can top mine, but that will get us nowhere since what has happened is deeply personal to everyone affected by this violence.

If I want justice pursued please respect that, if all you want is to forgive, I may not understand it, but I can respect it since it is your view and desire. Seeking justice has nothing whatsoever to do with revenge. It is justice we are seeking through the court system, again, there must be consequences, and what is wrong with that? I did not read or infer from any of the writings here that people are seeking justice through acts of personal revenge! Please stand corrected on this point. We don't have to stretch the truth in order to score points. As emotional as this whole situation is it is important for us to stay factual.

Let those of us who want justice, pursue justice, and those of you who want to forgive, pursue forgiveness. We are all different, and each person's journey to find peace is not the same, and as long as that journey doesn't cause another person harm then we should respect it!

Please don't think for us and we won't think for you!

Peace to all Kenyans.

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For sure some people have serious attitude problems. Just to let you know am entitled to my views. This is a forum for exchanging views and people are bound to have different views from yours, and if you can't handle that, then you are in the wrong place. For one to go a step further and conclude on what others think is being narrow minded, we can think for ourselves and give our own views. Don't put words in other peoples mouths.

All in all i pray for peace in Kenya, and justice, those who were behind the ethnic killings should be brought to book. From the very top people to the killers in the villages. We need to solve this problem from the root cause inorder to prevent future occurance. It is not realistic to expect people to continue with their lives as if nothing happened. It is not realistic to expect people to go back to their houses and live next to the very neighbours who killed their kins. It is not realistic to expect people to happily welcome the leadership of those who planned the ethnic cleasing. Most of those behind the killing lost nothing their lives were not affected but what about the victims.

.....bla bla bla ...some writers have serious attitude problems......bla bla bla....some people want to think for us.....bla bla bla bla......you are putting words in our mouths......bal bla bla bla....we need justice......bla bla bla....it happened in '97 and '92.....bla bla bla....some people are in the wrong place.....bla bla bla .....ad infintum!

All we are saying is simple.Restoration of peace was paramount for anything meaningful to happen,and if that was to be achieved through power sharing, so be it!.Mourning endlessly, throwing tantrums and issuing empty threats will not have Rutos, Kibors, Nyong'os and the other war mongers arrested. Truth, Justice and Reconciliation commission will! And that can only be done in a peaceful atmosphere.All perpetrators of genocide will have their day in court.

When Japanese were almost wiped out by atomic bomb, what did they do? They sat down, engaged their brains and used that disaster to be what they are today! When jews were almost exterminated, what did they do? Why are they the most powerfukl people today? My take is you can actually benefit from a disaster if you learn positive lessons from it. Our people can learn a lot from this disaster. It is no sectret we are hated, but war will not make this hatred go away! We need to focuss and think. But life must not stop just because some of you think so. We can walk and chew the gum at the same time!

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Paka Mwitu,

I could not add even one more content to what you said above. I concur 110%. This is the time for all people's/communities to seat down and think carefully what Kenya became and WHY and WHAT to do make make sure it NEVER happens again.

Forget the war mongers. They are pretenders coz they seat here online expecting our bros/sis to be the ones to fight for them. Kama wao ni dume sana, si they go to the center of action and show by deeds (not mere empty words here).

Paka- I agree with you. PEACE is paramount.

MM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7270659.stm
Again for the sake of flooding.Read the story and school me on their being in a displacement camp abroad.Obviously these are Kenyans who really have gone through hell but are willing to hang tough so that they can be true peace. The 'fake peace' mongers here will, maybe get a tag for them now that they are in Kenya and do not suffer the distinguishing feature of being 'away'. What a unifying peaceable nice people!
I would rather ride rough now than ride easy only to realize later that I've been chasing a mirage!!

Good Lord!

I GIVE UP! I feel like i have a hollow space in my cranium.I will join again when i grow enough grey matter to discuss "issues".

In the meantime, the rest can carry on.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paka Mwitu "Alley Cat":
.....bla bla bla ...some writers have serious attitude problems......bla bla bla....some people want to think for us.....bla bla bla bla......you are putting words in our mouths......bal bla bla bla....we need justice......bla bla bla....it happened in '97 and '92.....bla bla bla....some people are in the wrong place.....bla bla bla .....ad infintum!

The bla bla is uncalled for and idotic. And if you are a dume go to the IDP camps and see how life there is.

Kenyans deserve peace , justice and civility. Those who formed the militia and unleased them on innocent civilians should be prosecuted.

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The bla bla is uncalled for and idotic. And if you are a dume go to the IDP camps and see how life there is.

Your choice of words is symptomatic of a tortured, demented or an otherwise troubled soul.I really dont want to pass judgement on you, but kindly allow me to offer you a prescription based on preliminary diagnosis.

Johnkenya, the symptons you exhibit can be serious, mild, manageable or even life threatening. But the good (or bad) thing is that it is dependent on your age.

If for your age ranges between 10-25 years, you have no cause to worry. No medication is recommended, for it is expected that such conditions wears out as you grow up , and get accumstomed to straight thinking.

If you are between 25-35 years old, then clearly this point to a case of a rabid mind.. The situation is manageable but you have to see a VET, probably in the nearest Zoo.If you are in Kenya, kindly surrender yourself to the nearest KWS outpost.

If you are older than that, i am afraid the situation is terminal. There is nothing you can do. Such patients tend to mature slowly and are naturally predisposed to "think" in a laboured and tortured manner. I summary these patients are denser than mercury.The worrying bit is that such cases tend to be genetical.Maybe somewhere in your genes lies a recessive gene that get activated when you cant think straight. My prayer is that you dont pass it on to your kinsmen.

Hope this help.

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