I just remembered an arab dude complaning at a UN meeting some years ago. He was very angry that some women at this meeting where not all wrapped up in burkas.
A journalist asked this man why this was a problem and he said something like "if women are not dressed appropriate (wrapped up) us men can not concentrate on what we are here for...".
So it is quite clear that the wrapping up biz is a male issue then;
Whenever you can see female skin, a part of the face, hair, arms, maybe even some legs men want sexy time or what?
There is pills for this. The kind of pills they give to rapists etc.
Let the war against female oppression go on!

I'm a female, and I was circumcised a little over two years ago to correct a problem of a hidden clitoris, I couldn't get enough stimulation to it normally, without going through some uncomfortable maneuvers. I had a friend who had it done and it helped her, so I complained to my GYN about my difficulties. My GYN was hesitant to do it and I had to tell her several times how much trouble I was having reaching orgasm during intercourse because I had such a long hood. Finally I said I would do it myself if she refused. This got her attention and we set up an appointment a few days later and she circumcised me. She had me sign a paper that she was not responsible for any problems caused by the operation and it was at my request. I guess she was protecting herself since so many DR's are being sued if something goes wrong.

The results of the operation were wonderful and I only wish I had known about it sooner.

As far as the hypersensitivity issue, it's more a matter of getting used to the feeling and mentally putting it out of your mind until you have sex.

Kathy (USA)


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I recently had my clitoral hood removed (female circumcision) to improve sensitivity and cleanliness as it was such a long hood. I had some pain during healing, but that has been minimal. Healing has been rapid.

The glans clitoris has slowly increased in size since the operation. The sensitivity is also there and my ability to orgasm has increased be cause of it.

I think that all women should consider have their hoods removed as it would aid in cleanliness of the area and grreatly improving orgasm! I'm totally satisfied!

Female circumcision (i.e. foreskin removal) is an operation not widely known by females - and usually not widely known by doctors who may be called upon to practice it. Contrary to the recurrent idea in sex manuals today, most females, even in Western countries, had very little idea about their anatomy until the 1950s, and only a minority had any idea what a clitoris was, what it could do for them, and - last but not least - that it had to be cleaned. A good number of female friends whom I've discussed this with have found to have adherences that were extremly unpleasant, causing itching, redness, soreness - just like under the foreskin of uncircumcised boys.

Based on the above, it would seem easy to follow my advice. However, there has been some debate on whether circumcising clitoral hoods did not, in some cases, cause a problem in women - i.e., making the sensitivity of their clits impossible to control. The clitoris is not a penis. It does not thrust to orgasm, is attached to the belly, moves back and forth in the slit. It can be irritated easily (a phenomenon reported for a while by all freshly circumcised women), but certainly bring greater orgasms when it is totally naked. The few cases we see, however, like mine, are insufficient to form a real idea of the benefits of circumcision in females. Obviously for me it did provide many benefits. But it may not for you. I do not know enough circumcised women to form a wide sweeping opinion on this.

Probably one of the best ways to deal with this subject would be to have a clitoral exam when a female reaches a certain sexual maturity (around her twenties). Gynecological exams before then are usually an unpleasant, and sometimes traumatic experience for a girl. The doctor would not only check the vagina, the rectum, and the cervix, but also the sensitivity of the clitoris, the degree to which the hood adheres to the tip, and whether it would be beneficial or not to have a hood removal - which takes 15 minutes under local anesthesia, at the most. It would also be an ideal time to discuss clitoral hygeine with women, and the need for regular clitoral hood retraction and washing. This would enable women to add to the sexual pleasure - giving them greater sexual confidence. It would also give women a basis for which to decide if they believe they would benefit from female circumcision, as I have.

Cindy (USA)

http://www.circlist.com/femalecirc/anatfemale.html

Seems like we are living in two worlds. When one is mourning, the other is celebrating about the same thing. It is all in your mind.

"Moran", ririkana, "one's man meat can be another man poison".

one thing i have learned about traditional africans culture is that, it normally take advance science to explain it. wazungu's science was and is still primitive, that why they could not understand our anchestors action.

a good point is the reason they circumcised.

yes its true that the reason given by those africans who circumcised their women are valid and scientific. but what has happened is that because of change, these practise has became irrelevant nowdays to some people of this tribes, if not most of these people of this tribes which is normal. remember culture is dynamic? that why they say its like a flowing river since if a river does not flow its start to stink.

that why all cultures from their beginning they have always shed their part of culture thats became irrelevant and borrow or create new ones to replace the irrelevant ones.

what am trying to say here is that, since nowdays we the men don't have to go in the bush for day's or months to fight or take care of our herds as was a practice, thus living our wifes behind for long periods, its becames irrelevant to circumcise our women.

but what about those people in rural area's for instance like the masai, somalis, nandis, ethiopians etc still practising their traditional namadic lifestyle and are still required to go in the bush with their annimals for long periods leaving their wife and kids behind? why shouldn't they not use these scientific knowledge gift passed to us from our fore-fathers if it work by enhancing their wife sexual presure and at the same time protecting their wife from committing adultery?

i know of nandi/kalenjin women who fight to be circumcised. why should they be denied their right to practise their eons old culture if it their wish?

around that time these wonderful kalenjins girls who were fighting to be circumcised, Jebi Kilimo the former minister though a kelinjin refused to be circumcised, she still respected among her tribes and in kenya as whole.

this is the approach we should embrace and follow because time has shifted and made the culture of circumcising our women not very relevant. note: i did not say irrelevant.

that why am saying that, we should teach with pride and grace our women from the right age why our fore-fathers conducted female circumcision and its benefits and then let those who wish to go for it do so with all their respect and pride intact those women that choose not to, we should also respect that decision.

do you people know how many times a mzungu has been proven wrong on african affairs? i tell it almost all the time.

any way we have others african tribe like NYERI kikuyus and other tribes that never circumcised their women.

from a personal point of view, growing up i was a mtu mubaya when it came to women, i knew of circumcised women and some who were not. there was this info that the uncircumcised ones were easy... all one had to do was fondle them expecially the breast. people i knew used too say that they would yield easily unlike the circumcised ones. i think and am still convinced from that early age personal experience that, this is true. this is my true personal experience and those of the others i knew. this fact of uncircumcised women yielding easily compared to circumcised ones expecially when fondled am still convinced its true from my own personal experience. am not proud of that past and it the reason am still not married yet.

am of that generation that started sexual activity at a very early age due to lack of sexual education at that time. infact the class behind me were the first to start those sexual education in kenya schools.

am sure all of you used to hear that kyuks women plait their hair when conducting sex, they used to attribute this lack of interest in sex during sex, to circumcission. tuongeini ukueli. while they used to say that uncircumcissed women are wild during sex. i grew up among luos, luhyas and every tribe of kenya.

i think this is irrefutable proof that the main reason africans tribes cirmcissed their female was for chastity reason. this is not bad compared to the steel padlocked cage dress and steel panties the europeans used to force their women to wear in order to prevent unfaithfulness by their wifes. i hear that those european chastity padlocked steel dress were very painful, extremely unfortable, bruising and heavy to the women wearing them. am sure famale circumcission is more scientific,civilised, less painful and more humane compared to the european chastity padlocked caged dress the white used to force their women to wear.

remember all am saying is that we should not demonise or be ashamed of it as it is currently the case due to foreign influence, female circumcission since its very easy, for those who want it, to conduct it in a hygenic manner. actually that given and widely accepted reason of aboloishing it because of the hygenic condition when conducting is lame since we can do it in a hygenic environment.

am sure the great statistic of divorce rate in the western hemisphere can be prevented or lowered if they also adopt this culture.

for those against it don't tupia mimi mawe or hate me since i am flexible in this issue as its evident. i have offered a lifeline for those against it.

we always had those chracters after peole's wife i think it explainable why our people choose female circumcision.

the encient all knowing egyptians did it.

muwacha mila ni mutumwa.

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A good number of female friends whom I've discussed this with have found to have adherences that were extremly unpleasant, causing itching, redness, soreness - just like under the foreskin of uncircumcised boys.

Abai mandams aya ni guithamba matoii guithamba ...shadau hau.Their hygiene levels are compromised or they usee too much of perfumed soaps and lotions ....etc etc. If this was the case dont u think all of us women we would be dying to get circumsiced in order to get rid of this kinda of a menace.

Forgive a litle my being a wee bit vulgar. Myths abound that the kikuyu males mkwanju increases sexual pleasure for the women which is a lie. The same lie is spread about the female piercings of their nether regions. This who arguments about the benefits of female circumcision is a farce.

2,000 girls lined up for circumcision

Story by NATION Correspondent
Publication Date: 11/19/2007
About 2,000 school girls have been lined up for circumcision in the North Rift, a local NGO claimed on Sunday.

Thereafter, they are expected to drop out of school and be married off, claimed Mrs Lilian Plapan the coordinator of the Kapenguria-based Setatas organisation.

She asked the Government to protect the girls, who are all aged between 13 and 14 years, from undergoing the rite.

Undergo the cut

Mrs Plapan said about 500 girls have been placed on the queue in the three districts of West Pokot, North Pokot and East Pokot.

In Baringo District, about 200 girls are to undergo the cut after schools close.

She said another 500 girls from Trans Nzoia and Mt Elgon districts and 400 from Marakwet are being earmarked for the exercise.

In most of these culturally conservative communities,circumcision is there to stay and no amount of "demonisation" of the practice will reverse the "problem". To my mind, FGM, is only bad if forced on the people. In so far as it is voluntary,we should all respect these peoples' choices. I, for once, look at it no differently from any other body piercing rituals such as piercing ones' ears, navel,nose etc.

Though many medics agree that FGM could be a problem in giving birth, statistics dont seem to support this argument.For instance, deaths at child birth are not statistically significant compared to those who have not undergone the rite.Mark you, this is inspite of the fact that those in "progressive" societies have better access to medical care.

Well, i am not a medical doctor and my knowledge of medicine is at best zero.But again, numbers do not lie.