Sajini,and those of you back home.
Does female circumcision still happen within the kiuks?

Check this out.-The Kenyan family murdered in Atalanta.I pray that God rest their souls in peace and may touch the survivours with His Healing Hands.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?con...de=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Nyina wa B,
Yes it does, but usually underground. I heard that during the holidays, girls go to 'visit' their cucu, and by the time they come back. makoragwo magimaritio.

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Nyina wa B,
Yes it does, but usually underground. I heard that during the holidays, girls go to 'visit' their cucu, and by the time they come back. makoragwo magimaritio.

Hi all,

Personally i do not think its happening, though like Saj puts it, if its underground, you never get to know who has done however Meru's still practice it openly. I write under correction..

Its very sad for the Kuria's family, pray the boys will get better in Jesus Name!!

Can someone fafanua for me if its not tabooor thingira talk.
Can this cutting (men) affect the growth of that part either way (+ve or -ve)
why do i ask? we take some of our boys at avery early age (kama 2yrs) and sometimes we seem to argue ati gatingikura ringi kana nigakuraga wega gatwarwo tene.
For this one nko gizani someone help plis.

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Originally posted by Nyina Wa Bakhita:
Sajini,and those of you back home.
Does female circumcision still happen within the kiuks?

Check this out.-The Kenyan family murdered in Atalanta.I pray that God rest their souls in peace and may touch the survivours with His Healing Hands.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?con...de=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

In my village where i hail from, somewhere in Murang'a, female circumcision still takes place, and openly for that matter! my mum, having come from a different geographic area tried to change things, organising for seminars and workshops to educate this village pple. She got very little support, infact she made very many enemies(up until now). My mum is old now, she has since retired, but the problem is still there, mayb some day i will take it up.

Hi there, Wakabutha, woiga kwanyu ni murang'a ha? Gwitu ni murang'a also, my mum also fought/preached againts FGM - Female Genital Mutilation and it was "i think successful" she also has many ungodly looks here and there but most people supported her... I hope/pray you will win for your mums sake..

In the part of Nyeri where I come from, if it is still there, it's done in a clandestine and very concealed manner. Pple seem to have realised the dangers/risks this practice presents. But before then, it used to be done openly. Personally I can point at several girls (now married women almost cucus) with whom, "twaikurukire nao" if you know what I mean. And it was open and known.

Thanks God this practice is on its way out. It even sound disgusting talking about it.

I come from Nyeri and in our area some family did circumcise girls the said family was excommunicated from their church! This practice should be done away with kabisa kabisa

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Originally posted by Ngûnjiri®:
In the part of Nyeri where I come from, if it is still there, it's done in a clandestine and very concealed manner. Pple seem to have realised the dangers/risks this practice presents. But before then, it used to be done openly. Personally I can point at several girls (now married women almost cucus) with whom, "twaikurukire nao" if you know what I mean. And it was open and known.

Ngunjiri,I remember gwitu Othaya wa Kianda they did it too when I was young.I was 10 yrs old when the village elders started talking of how we were almost at that age.They used to do it outside with everyone watching.I can still hear the screams of those poor girls.Me on the other hand,pain was not my buddy.I asked questions.Like why they did it.Oh,they told me that it was how girls were initiated into womanhood.Not according to Mrs Mukora,the nature study teacher.Girls according to her got intiated via their menses so someone was lying.

My great grandmother said that in the old days,the Kikuyu men would go to Ukabi for food or sometimes war.The men wanted their wives to be faithful in their absence so they had them cut which meant,less feelings and no fun.That was when I told God to let the villagers leave me alone cause if anyone touched me or my sisters,only God knows.Luckily for me,my parents were on my side.

Those good for nothing excuses of human beings had how many wives and they wanted the wives to be faithful?How selfish can any sane person get?

Im glad its on its way out.

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Originally posted by Papa Daad:
Mwenda kirira kiu, uriai andu a kanitha wa Independent and Akurinu. Icio no mamuhe uhoro gitau.

Airitu aria maingatwo kanitha ici ingi, nikuo moragira. Aria angi manenya ati ni marenda kugimara, no kanitha macenjagia, magatuika akurinu kana a Independent.

Giki ni gitumi kimwe giatumire makanitha maya meri mambiririo mbururi-ini wa Kenya. Mutahurana na makanitha maya, ngutiri kundu irua ria ari rithiite.

Mucoke muhurane na mungiki.

One HUU. Uhoro uri ha? HAU

Papa Daad,
Good point. But I must admit that the Independent Church is the strongest in our region (Othaya) having been there longest. In fact most of the faithfuls (esp the old generation) from other denominations must have been in independent at a certain point. But that practices is almost extinct (if not totally extinct!) so even that church has reformed and realised the barbarism of this practice.

The East African Standard has a very nice piece.
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143972702

Debate on link between HIV and circumcision gains tempo
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By Elizabeth Mwai

The raging debate on the relationship between the spread of HIV/Aids virus and male circumcision has gained new tempo.

It is a duel between long cherished tradition and medical science. The scientific evidence remains incontrovertible. One study commissioned by the governments of Kenya, Uganda and South Africa, under the auspices of a UN agency, showed that circumcision could halve men’s vulnerability to HIV from having sex with infected women.

The Government and the donor community now seek to inculcate a change in attitude without appearing to ignore culture. The attitude change plan is based on studies that show the male cut can significantly reduce chances of contracting HIV by as much as 60 per cent.

Last month, Kenya was among the 130 countries gathered in Sydney to discuss findings that male circumcision could reduce the risk of HIV infection.

The over 5,000 delegates attending the four-day conference heard evidence presented from a study in Kenya and Uganda confirming the findings of a previous study in South Africa, that male circumcision can reduce the risk of HIV infection among young men.


Luo community objects to circumcision


But Mr Meshack Riaga, the chairperson of the Luo Council of Elders, insists that scientific discoveries would not sway him to adopt a practice that was not deemed necessary by their forefathers.

A staunch believer in abstinence, Riaga says male circumcision alone cannot tackle the spread of new infections.

"Abstinence is the ultimate weapon," he says.

Riaga, 72, says his Luo community objects to circumcision regardless of what studies show about the chances of contracting HIV/Aids.

"I object to circumcision because it is not our way of life," he says.

Experts believe cells found on the foreskin, the part of the inside of the male organ cut off during circumcision, are particularly susceptible to HIV infection.

The Ministry of Health has embarked on a policy formulation process that will see the "cut" entrenched into the HIV prevention strategy.

Dr Ibrahim Mohamed, director, National Aids and Sexually Transmitted Infections Control Programme, says: "There is a committee working on the policy to include circumcision into the HIV prevention strategy".

Apart from the Luo, Turkana and Teso, all other communities in Kenya practice male circumcision.


Circumcision makes the glands more resistant to viral entry


The trials in Kenya and Uganda each involved 2,000 heterosexual men, half of whom were circumcised.

Experts want experienced surgeons to undertake the cut, which they insist, should be accompanied by awareness.

Male circumcision makes the glands more resistant to viral entry.

"We are in recognition that male circumcision is protective in the transmission of HIV/Aids, so we need guidelines in the country on how it should be done," Mohamed said.

But he is quick to explain that circumcision is not 100 per cent effective and should be accompanied by other protective measures.

He notes that male circumcision has always served cultural purposes, and hence, the need to form a policy to combine the other benefits.


Attitude change should be the best recommendation


Many Kenyans have died of HIV/Aids complications, including TB, while two million children have been orphaned.

Circumcision remains a natural way out, says the medic, but the Luo Council of Elders will have none of it. Promoting male circumcision as a tool to prevent HIV/Aids infections, says Riaga, will fuel prostitution, as people will indulge in careless sex.

"And the only reasonable way of dealing with it is through behaviour change," says the elder.

And the Kenya Medical Association (KMA) supports Riaga’s views. KMA chairman Dr Stephen Ochiel says, "Attitude change should be the best recommendation. Some men believe circumcision gives them a leeway to have multiple partners," says Ochiel.

The US has pledged to give Kenya more than Sh25 billion to fight HIV/Aids and promote male circumcision. About Sh350 million of the amount is earmarked for advocacy.

Despite all this money, the cultural barrier is huge.

Riaga is right.They can not use circumcision to supposedly protect the men from AIDS cause truth be told,that would not work cause we have circumcised people and they are living with that nasty virus.Abstinence is the key.But who are we kidding?People just have to care for themselves.Because there is nothing like safe sex.Ask them doctors who recomend c/ds if they would sleep with an infected person using a c/d.

Hell NO they would say.Cause they know that there is still a 30% chance of contracting it and those are chances any smart person should not take.The question is,how many smart people do we have out there?For the lucky ones,the virgins,please make sure some no good partner does not take you to the grave with them.The two of you should get tested together and go for the results together.Its your life we are talking about.And if a man tells you he is a virgin,still have him tested.There is no way of knowing whether he is telling the truth or not.

What is "kihigo"? I hope i got the spelling right.