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Wedding ceremonies really amuse me. Recently, KISS 100 sponsored a “a Victorian wedding” (whatever that mean) costing well over KShs 5m exclusive of an all paid honeymoon. The figure look exaggerated but that is not the point. I wish the lucky couple all the best. This got me thinking. I got some questions, whose answers somebody out there might have.

1. Why do we talk of a” dream” wedding! What are the measures of a “dream” wedding?? , is it the cost, the caliber and stature of the people who attend (guest list), the location, the length of the bridal trail, the food and drinks, the gifts, the bride, the groom ?????
2. Must a wedding be celebrated in church?? Is there anything biblical in having a church wedding??? Any empirical examples from the bible, or specific verses
3. Why always insist on white for the bride. Any significance in the colour? (And don’t tell me it symbolizes purity because it doesn’t!)
4. Why is the cake so important?? Are there alternatives for cakes?? –bread, chapati etc
5. And then the monotonous intonation “You may now kiss the bride!” What does kissing symbolize in this case?? A lot of these people have kissed before. Why is it so special now??
6. “For better or worse!”- A big lie often told in presence of jubilant well wishers. Why not just rephrase that to reflect something more agreeable and easy to honour. Why not put an exit clause to cater for certain conditions that might vitiate the marriage??
7. “Till death do us apart”, When a lie is repeated many times, it begins to sound like the truth
8. The wedding ring- Why should it be a finger ring?? What would go wrong if one used a toe ring, earring, a necklace, or even a tattoo!!!!
9. Honey moon-Must you skive jobo for a whole month? In most cases you have lived with this person and visited more places (with her) before the marriage?????
10. The bridal showers and stag parties – No comment. I don’t know what they are. Anybody with some idea what these are?
11. If you ride in jalopy or walk to work , why insist on a Cadillac just for the day
12. The flower girls and the tu-boys (what are they called???). What is their role/significance-why not just have grown ups play this role
13. And why all this obsession with rice (notorious among the kyuks). Queuing the whole afternoon for a plate of white rice is a bit funny
14. Wedding committees-I was in 16 such committees last year alone. Is this “illegal” taxation????
15. And finally, is a marriage synonymous to a wedding???


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5. And then the monotonous intonation “You may now kiss the bride!” What does kissing symbolize in this case?? A lot of these people have kissed before. Why is it so special now??

Kissing is a means of getting two people so close together that they can't see anything wrong with each other no matter they insist on doing it.


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Yes, most of these wedding rituals are clearly absurd and outdated. I believe there used to be cultural significance in every aspect of these practices, but now that so many things have changed, some seemes to be a real mockery of the institution. I believe wedding and maarriage are two different things. Wedding seem to refer to the ceremony, but marriage seems to refere to the whole process from the wedding, to death, or divorce.

Marriage is so persistent that even after divovce, the name ex still keep on coming up. Wedding and marriage are however intertwined within the cultural matrix in question.

Wedding is a subset of marriage, but is not really necessary. I think marriage can exist without a wedding.

Most of the rituals in a wedding ceremony are nothing sort of symbolic mysticism to make peoepl believe in what they are doing. It is no different from someone eating raw goat meat or drinking blood during an primitive oathing ceremonies.


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Paka mwitu has asked some questions which I would like pple (papa daad) to answer for me. Frowner
2, and 3 and 6.


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1. Why do we talk of a” dream” wedding! What are the measures of a “dream” wedding?? , is it the cost, the caliber and stature of the people who attend (guest list), the location, the length of the bridal trail, the food and drinks, the gifts, the bride, the groom ?????-........... A dream wedding according to me is a wedding that would be so good and 'flossy' to remember(just for the day it happened) coz in most cases we do it once. Men rarely talk of Dream weddings.its mostly confined to ladies who unfortunately are so fond of fantasies(is it a curse?). Men only do it to please their moms and their new found half.So in actual fact,dream weddings rarely happen( that Nameless and Wahu thing must me close to a dream wedding.Wahu must be so creative)
2. Must a wedding be celebrated in church?? Is there anything biblical in having a church wedding??? Any empirical examples from the bible, or specific verses- ............it is not necessary,according to me, that a wedding be celebrated in Church.we see guys doing them in hotels. i think the most important thing is to have it 'blessed' by a spiritual leader of your denomination.
3. Why always insist on white for the bride. Any significance in the colour? (And don’t tell me it symbolizes purity because it doesn’t!)............-Now this is something i cant get words(or reason) to explain why it is so. i personally wouldnt want my bride to wear Yellow!
4. Why is the cake so important?? Are there alternatives for cakes?? –bread, chapati etc- cake,according to me is not a must...........its a colonial thing. Guys may celebrate by having their favourite dish(does it have to be a dish?) at the wedding.We saw Ngugi wa Thiongo 'cutting' nyama choma.and the recent one for Eunice Mathu's(parents magazine editor's son).
5. And then the monotonous intonation “You may now kiss the bride!” What does kissing symbolize in this case?? A lot of these people have kissed before. Why is it so special now??- ...............this one doesnt have to be there.tutapatana bedroom na tena kama tumezima taa!! At least it is not done in my rural area!! wouldnt do it in the presence of my old folks.
6. “For better or worse!”- A big lie often told in presence of jubilant well wishers. Why not just rephrase that to reflect something more agreeable and easy to honour. Why not put an exit clause to cater for certain conditions that might vitiate the marriage??- ...........i guess this is supposed to potray Hope! to show optimism while at the same time they tell us it ain a bed of roses!
7. “Till death do us apart”, When a lie is repeated many times, it begins to sound like the truth- I..........nsert,Infidelity(if the lady is caught doing so), financial distress and women Keshas
8. The wedding ring- Why should it be a finger ring?? What would go wrong if one used a toe ring, earring, a necklace, or even a tattoo!!!!- ............its a modern symbol to show one is married and therefore earn one some respect or disrespect when one engages in immoral stuff
9. Honey moon-Must you skive jobo for a whole month? In most cases you have lived with this person and visited more places (with her) before the marriage?????- .........its just an excuse.We all know that the days when they used to tell the newly weds to sleep on white sheets are long gone!ona wa Karume ndathire honeymoon
10. The bridal showers and stag parties – No comment. I don’t know what they are. Anybody with some idea what these are?- ..........what are these??
11. If you ride in jalopy or walk to work , why insist on a Cadillac just for the day- ...........mmmm, ndingithií maguru muthenya wa uhiki!
12. The flower girls and the tu-boys (what are they called???). What is their role/significance-why not just have grown ups play this role- .............just to make kids happy! not all weddings have these kids!
13. And why all this obsession with rice (notorious among the kyuks). Queuing the whole afternoon for a plate of white rice is a bit funny- ............he he he he.good observation! but note that Rice is the cheapest luxury food around. we all know kyuks with monetary issues( ngati)
14. Wedding committees-I was in 16 such committees last year alone. Is this “illegal” taxation????- .........they are not wedding commitees, they are Financial assistance Sourcing Personell
15. And finally, is a marriage synonymous to a wedding???-............NO. in many cases, those who are man and wife by any other means other than wedding, live happily ever after!!






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Alley cat you are probably not married and will remain like that for long. Listen, you might want to do things differently, but that's how they've been and are going to remain. Ask any gal you meet today what's the most memorable day in their lives, and i can bet "ngiri moja" that all will say its their wedding day. So just relax and fuata Nyayo- its the best treat you can ever give your gal. Chao!!
 
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Kaliz thank you for letting our men know that wedding is the best thing that can hapen to you...note WEDDING!! The hulla thats associated with it....all attention on me....looking all pretty and nice....can all the women say AMEN!!!!!!!! why can't men get it....well guess coz they are men lol lol
 
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wakanyugi na Kaliz, hindi ya uhiki no nginya mwikire neti? nonginya keki itinio?
ingigutwara kwa Wako no kundega? ni aya!

isnt it monotonous how guys keep doing one thing the same way! Creativity, guys





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Alley cat you are probably not married and will remain like that for long. Listen, you might want to do things differently, but that's how they've been and are going to remain. Ask any gal you meet today what's the most memorable day in their lives, and i can bet "ngiri moja" that all will say its their wedding day. So just relax and fuata Nyayo- its the best treat you can ever give your gal. Chao!!


Kaliz,

God forbid!!! I am not going to spoil a good friendship with marriage.NEVER. She comes all the way from Kigali but my greatest fear is that one day she will make hint on marriage. She can settle in my house but as a buddy the way we have always done, but not a wife.I think we can "pursue leisure" this way as we have always done.

Wakanyugi,

Wakihia has asked you a very pertinent question.Please answer him.


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Wa kihia, we don't have to put on the white gown na keki to nginya itinio, but as long as its my wedding day i have to look elegant n all that goes with it....ti ati tuthie kwa wako twikirite nguo cia kawaida halafu tuinuke..hau ndaigua nawe!

Theres nothing monotonous about a wedding, thats the way it has always been unless u come up with something new, be creative wakihia..


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Alley cat you are probably not married and will remain like that for long. Listen, you might want to do things differently, but that's how they've been and are going to remain. Ask any gal you meet today what's the most memorable day in their lives, and i can bet "ngiri moja" that all will say its their wedding day. So just relax and fuata Nyayo- its the best treat you can ever give your gal. Chao!!

Well put...


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ngûnjiri®:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kaliz:
Alley cat you are probably not married and will remain like that for long. Listen, you might want to do things differently, but that's how they've been and are going to remain. Ask any gal you meet today what's the most memorable day in their lives, and i can bet "ngiri moja" that all will say its their wedding day. So just relax and fuata Nyayo- its the best treat you can ever give your gal. Chao
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Unless you have no plans of ever getting married


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Quite interesting

Getting married is very much like going to a restaurant with friends.
You order what you want then, when you see what the other person
has, you wish you had ordered that.

>------------ --------- --------- --------- ---
>Man: Is there any way for long life?

> Dr: Get married.

> Man: Will it help?

> Dr: No, but the thought of long life will never come.

>------------ --------- --------- --------- ----
> Why do couples hold hands during their wedding?
>
> It's a formality just like two boxers shaking hands before the
>
> fight begins!

>
> Wife: Darling today is our anniversary, what should we do?
>
> Husband: Let us stand in silence for 2 minutes.

>--------- --
> It's funny when people discuss Love Marriage vs Arranged.
> It's like asking someone, if suicide is better or being murdered.


> It is difficult to understand GOD. He makes such beautiful
> things as women and then he turns them into Wives
> If u r married please ignore this msg,
> for everyone else: Happy Independence Day

>--------- ----
> Before marriage, a man will lie awake all night thinking about
>
> something you say.
> After marriage, he'll fall asleep before you finish.

> There's a way of transferring funds that is even faster than
>
> electronic banking. It's called marriage.

> Girlfriends r like chocolates, taste good anytime.
> Lovers r like PIZZAS, Hot n spicy, eaten frequently.
>
> Husbands r like Dal RICE, eaten when there's no choice

> Man receives telegram: Wife dead-should be buried or cremated?
> Man: Don't take any chances. Burn the body and bury the ash.
>

> There was this guy who told his woman that he loved her so much
>
> that he would go through hell for her. They got married and now he is
>
> going thru hell.
>
> Fact of life: One woman brings you into this world crying & the
>
> other ensures you continue to do so for the rest of your life!

> Q: Why doesn't law permit a man to marry a second woman?
>
> A: Because as per law you cannot be punished twice for the same
>
> offence!
>
> Here comes the Ultimate One Smiler

> Prospective husband: Do you have a book called 'Man, The Master
>
> of Women'?
>
> Salesgirl: The fiction department is on the other side, sir.





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Quite interesting

There was this guy who told his woman that he loved her so much
>
> that he would go through hell for her. They got married and now he is
>
> going thru hell.
>
> Fact of life: One woman brings you into this world crying & the
>
> other ensures you continue to do so for the rest of your life!

> Q: Why doesn't law permit a man to marry a second woman?
>
> A: Because as per law you cannot be punished twice for the same
>
> offence!
>
> .


Wakihia,

I think you deserve a nobel prize for this gem.What shocks me most is the number of men who are willing to proceed with this "strange marital union", inspite of the glaring evidence that marriage is hell. Forget about the showbiz and public relation exercises that are passed as happy marriages everyday.I am yet to come accross one, or is it that i am a pessismist , naysayer??

We swear allegiance to God who is source of all providence but find it hard to keep that fidelity, how then can you to a fellow human being?? I bet a lot of families find themselves "locked" in this marriages, suffering all form of discomforts and lack ,all because they uttered some funny words (i do!!!!) in front of relatives and friends.

At the risk of sounding unorthodox, and with utmost respect to those who are already married,i dare say that marriage was never supposed to be there in the first place. It was, and still is, a creation of people who cannot do things on their own.Love cannot be restricted to one person in life. It is strange to profess undying love to one person all your life unless life is constant.I hate to cheat myself that it is gonna happen anytime soon.It wont, must not and shall not happen under my watch.

Why do we have so many unfaithful partners these days??? I am reliably informed that you cannot get a room in any hotel in Nairobi between midday and 3 oclock anyday-reason-married people fully book them so that by 7 they are at home.Go to any upmarket residential area in Nairobi and you are likely to find enough mistresses courtesy of our married couples. The list is endless!!!

I envisage a life where peoples love change with the times just like tastes and preferenc es change over time.I know AIDS exist but who says this is a preserve of people whose love is unlimited???

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