One of the arguments against abortion in Kenyan is that is simply murder. On the other hand the pro-arbortionist groups say it is a woman's right to choose. Here is my question: what is morally wrong, to procure an abortion, or to give birth, and then dump the kid in the dustbin, latrine, or abandon that kid, codemning it to a life of misery?

Are we justified to criticize those who procure abortion whne if we are have become experts in ignoring the begging kids on the streets?

I would say all is morally wrong!!If you are not ready to have a child,why not use methods of controlling conception?
And if for some reason it doesnt work,why not give the baby away for adoption?
Some of the kids are on the streets not because their parents didn't want them but POVERTY.

Jane,
My Question is: How comes that nobody has seen it fit to adopt those kids that we already have?

And sometimes it is not about controling conception, but first, they are stigmatized by some religions. They are also unavailable to those who need them most. And then there are some accidents that happen. I think arbortion can be a good interventionist way of women controling their bodies.

I agree poserty is partly to blame for some kids on the street, but suppose the birth we have a policy where pregnant street girls are forced to procure abortion, would it not make our streets safe? If we can eradicate most of the cases of unplanned pregnancies, we can reduce the number of these street families. Anything that offer respite for me is welcome. thing that

Sajini,
I don't think abortion would do any good.More and more women will not care at all because they know they can abort after all.Why can't we educate people in the rural areas mostly on the importance of planned parenthood?And create more jua kali jobs?+other things

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Sajini,
I don't think abortion would do any good.More and more women will not care at all because they know they can abort after all.Why can't we educate people in the rural areas mostly on the importance of planned parenthood?And create more jua kali jobs?+other things

Wacha kusmile Wakarima...Toboa...

Abortion should be a choice for any woman who wants it. Others have no right to make the choice for her, unless she is married in which case the opinions of her spouse must be sought.

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Wacha kusmile Wakarima...Toboa...

Abortions should be permissible only for limited reasons like,
1.Rape,
2.Incest,
3.Mother has health problems and the only way to save her life is by carrying an abortion.
In other cases, there should be nothing like abortion be it legal or illegal niwanyita Jane? "Gakiiyoha nikoo koi uria karina"

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Originally posted by Wakarima:

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Wacha kusmile Wakarima...Toboa...

Abortions should be permissible only for limited reasons like,
1.Rape,
2.Incest,
3.Mother has health problems and the only way to save her life is by carrying an abortion.
In other cases, there should be nothing like abortion be it legal or illegal niwanyita Jane? "Gakiiyoha nikoo koi uria karina"

Need i add? great minds think alike. umearia ukweri kabisa hapo.

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Originally posted by Wakarima:
[QUOTE]Wacha kusmile Wakarima...Toboa...

Abortions should be permissible only for limited reasons like,

2.Incest,
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The islamic faith actually allows for marriage to close relatives such as cousins.Should they also abort???

Being a man, i think it would be grossly unfair to set standards for women on matters that directly impact on their bodies. I think it should be an individual choice. The lives they will be risking is theirs!

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The islamic faith actually allows for marriage to close relatives such as cousins.Should they also abort???

Being a man, i think it would be grossly unfair to set standards for women on matters that directly impact on their bodies. I think it should be an individual choice. The lives they will be risking is theirs!

Wild Cat, what faith do you subscribe to?
Philosophically, incest asks a fundamental question of our shifting roles not simply what is normal and what is deviant and if you may know, incest and child abuse are not yet being presented as recreational be realistic my Bro.

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Wild Cat, what faith do you subscribe to?
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Tent of the living God.We have no relationship whatsoever with mungiki.

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Tent of the living God.We have no relationship whatsoever with mungiki.

Ok Wild Cat then read the comments I posted above.

Wakarima,
You have not yet responded to Paka Mwitu's challenge. In cultures that allow the marriage betwen cousins, should those women be allowed to do abortion? It is not about faith, but idividual choice. If it be morally wrong, let the person concerned wrestle with their conscience, but we should not force our own morality on them

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Wakarima,
You have not yet responded to Paka Mwitu's challenge. In cultures that allow the marriage betwen cousins, should those women be allowed to do abortion? It is not about faith, but idividual choice. If it be morally wrong, let the person concerned wrestle with their conscience, but we should not force our own morality on them

Sajini, the arguement here is not the cultures but the individuals involved. Morally I would not even blink when I say it is totally unacceptable and if you may know, I am a staunch christian. God’s favorite test with us seems to be the one of loyalty. At one time or another in our lives, the Spirit takes us to a place of decision. It is a decision that reflects the epitome of our strength or of our weakness; a decision between serving personal interest and serving God; settling for the good versus striving for the best; temporal instant gratification versus eternal future happiness. Do you copy Roger?