Nyumba
Just read about the reasons why Nyumba ya Mumbi was targeted long before Dec 2007 elections on this link:
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http://kikuyunationalism.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/who-are-the-kikuyu/

Any account that ties Kikuyus to the Jews deserves to be treated as a myth, not reality. Kikuyus are Batus and Jews are Semites, period.

Has the responders heard about Thagichu (groups around Mt. Kenya), and the Segeju of Tanzania? Segeju is actually a variation of Thagichu, and shows a good connection to Kikuyus and other Eastern Bantus.

Its very clear from observation point of view that most ethiopians tribes stem from kikuyu's/merus/kambas, masaai, luo's and kalenjins who inter-married with arabs or caucasians.

the same goes for all coastal tribes.

also, i have, observed that, most if not almost all major african tribes in south africa especially western south africa contain 80% kikuyu,5% luo, 5% kamba, 10% luhya similarity words.

e.g Namibia and angola largest african tribes though they are regarded as bantus and speak bantu language, their languages consist almost 70-80 if not 98% similar words with kikuyu if one scrutinize them further, they definately have river lake nilotes blood. this fact is also evident in their culture and genetic looks.

most african tribes in zambia, zimbabwe are definately a mixture of either kikuyus/kamba and luo or luyha with some luo background, while in south africa, most tribes appear to be a mixture of kikuyu and luhya and masaai. the kikuyu percent in these tribes reflects the kikiyu percentage in kenya compared to other kenya tribes.

am still pondering why this is so?

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in south africa especially western south africa contain 80% kikuyu.......e.g Namibia and angola largest african tribes though they are regarded as bantus and speak bantu language, their languages consist almost 70-80 if not 98% similar words with kikuyu

Really?
This must be quite interesting.please give examples of these words

"also, i have, observed that, most if not almost all major african tribes in south africa especially western south africa contain 80% kikuyu..."

Beste, please shed some more light on this. I have lived in SA for 10 months now and whenever I speak my kyiuk, they (south africans) claim that i am talking an extremely strange language. However, if I switch to Swahili, they claim they can understand. Some of it is pretty close, e.g. our "hakuna matata translates into "hakua matata" in most of their 9 local languages.

The Batswana of Botswana call
Botho for andû and motho for mûndû
pula for rain or water - bura in kikuyu
muruti wa bana for murutani wa ciana
Mma for mama
etc etc
surprised?
Zambians call ngima nziima
surprised?

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The Batswana of Botswana call
Botho for andû and motho for mûndû
pula for rain or water - bura in kikuyu
muruti wa bana for murutani wa ciana
Mma for mama
etc etc
surprised?
Zambians call ngima nziima
surprised?

ok, this is a surprise to me. i dint know that!

give us more please

Please dont distort facts. There is no mystery of Kikuyu origin.

The only reason we have correspondence of some words in all the bantu languages is because they are descendants of proto-Bantu. All the daughter langauges of pro-Bantu use similar roots for some verbs and some nouns. It is therefore not surprising to have words that sound the same from Congo, all the way to South Africa and East Africa. See the link below for a better illustration.

http://www.ethnologue.com/14/show_family.asp?subid=24

I would like to dispute Beste's claim of Luos in Zambia and Zimbabwe. Archaeologists, athropologists and the linguists have long established that the Luos, Maasai, Kalenjins and other so called Nilotes belong to the Nilo-Saharan group of languages. They are closely related to the Sudanese tribes such as the Nuer and the Dinka. In terms of migration, they never went beyond central Tanzania. Saying that they are in Zambia and Zimbabwe is really stretching the reality too far.

Similarly, the Ethiopians are not the wanaharamu of Kikuyus, Merus and Embu. Most of the Ethiopian tribes are semites and belong to the same linguistic-genetic category as the Jews and Arabs. Any attempt to connect them with Kikuyus is really distorting the known scientific and historical facts.

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A short overview of the above.
Consider this scenario:
The original inhabitants of area of Africa below Equator from the time of Jesus Christ were hunter gatherers.

Consider this scenario:
The original inhabitants of area of Africa below Equator from the time of Jesus Christ were hunter gatherers namely :
Thagichu, Segechu, Athi, San, Khosan of SA, Elmolo, Ogieks, Il Chamus, Irqaw of TZ, Twa of Rwanda: All these .

The one branch of the main body of Bantus (the people) moved east from Congo towards Uganda, Rwanda , etc and mingled with local hunter gatherers (Tutsi, Twas) but were ‘’swallowed” by Bantus and lost their language. Others mingled with Nilotes eg Luhya & Kisii around L. Victoria:

The other branch moved down south and east (kikuyu & Kamba etc) and mingled ( that’s why the Kikuyu & kamba are fairer in complexion) with local hunter gatherers (Athi, Thagichu) etc but were ‘’swallowed” by Bantus and lost their language. That’s a fact
Remember at this time there was a huge Axumite Kingdom stretching from Arabian Peninsula to Mt Kenya ( and probably upto Southern Africa : The Great Zimbabwean ruins have middle eastern architecture which baffles historians to this day). Hence the Bantus most likely intermingled with the middle eastern people and influenced or were influenced by them. That why the Somalis and Ethiopians are darker in complexion as you move further away from the Red sea. That’s a fact

The other branch moved further south to SA and mingled with local hunter gatherers (San, Khaosan) but were ‘’swallowed” by Bantus and lost their language. Hence the Zulus , Batswanas and other Bantus of SA fairer in complexion. Etc etc etc……
The argument here is that there was/ and still is a lot of influence on each other’s culture and not straight movements of a body of people as the European Educated Anthropologist would like us to believe. I stand to be corrected of course.

Blasphemy.Not Here.

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