About the likes of Koigi who are being seen as their sympathisers,Koigi is just speaking of the youths who cant venture out of their homes for fear of being branded Mungiki,Koigi is speaking the truth,Mungiki will kill,then Vanish,What follows,"POLICE OPERATION"hundreds of youths will be arrested as suspects!!Murang'a and Industrial remands is full of Innocent youths charged with being members of a group they don know about!I was in Murang'a the other day and heard that two school boys had been arrested fro being members!
ITS A CRIME TO NEAR A SCENE OF CRIME!Take care when going shags or in downtown Nairobi!

I watched the TV yesterday and one of the ways the GSU personnel that has been dispatched to Muranga was using to identify them is by checking whether the young men had undergarments on, to which missing this item meant they were members.
Amazingly enough, several of them didnt have! What's the significance of this?

In the quest of sanity and elimination of these atavistic gangs, rationality must not be sacrificed. It reminds me of the Nazis and the Jews. back then, the criteria was a circumcised European. Woe unto those who were.

Now, unless they have a good hint that the Mungiki do not wear underpants, then this would be a crude way of investigation. It makes me wonder if we are really in teh 21st century. It is such as humiliating experience to be told to remove your pants just to ascertain if you have an underwear.

lakini kusema ukweli jamaa, dont Muranga men wear pants?

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The aim of this oath was to bid the Kikuyus, so that they can force the presidency back to Kikuyu in general, and Kiambu in particular. If they couldn’t take it to Kiambu, at least, they could take it back to Kikuyu. Then one thing led to the other until today when we are not sure whether Mungiki is protecting the Kikuyu presidency or Kiambu presidency. But in this protection, we are not going to pay with water. No, we are going to protect the presidency with our own blood. Whether there is war or not, we must protect the presidency with blood. With our own blood? Yes, we are all joined together by the two oaths of 1969. This is a collective responsibility. We asked for it through a promise.

Cant we see, even very senior people like Michuki and Gichuki are crying for each other blood.

so we are protecting the presidency by killing our very own? i am very confused on all this thing.Papa, your contribution makes sense.very!

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Thats when ndura Waruinge ditched it after it got to be deeply entrenched in extorting money from matatus,

Really? i bet my **** he never quit! how come he still has his head?

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WAit till u hear "KIRIRA"from them,It has come to be a case of kikuyus fighting among themselves!
The same thing that used to happen during the emergency days,Mau Maus killing the homeguards,,Infact Mau MAu war was more of kikuyus killing fellow kikuyus, than kikuyus fihting the British!

quite insightful.

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What is happening now? Has Mungiki taken over from Michuki boys? At least the judiciary is a bit independent and they are not jailing innocent people just because the police think they are Mungiki. What happened to the helicopters? The ones police used to hunt the Maasai in Mai Mahui? Why can’t they be used to hunt the Mungiki and those other mad men hiding in Mt Elgon Forest?

This kind of officially confirms that the killings are somehow a government project.(for what we dont know.i think that the gava knows quite well who these guys are and where they can get them, but who will give the orders to do so? will the hunter hunt himself?? the chopper can net the whole battalion in Kahuro.
What a pity they have to send my and your innocent brother who is a hard working police officer while knowing all too well that the gang is informed(of the 'operation') well before the police know that there will be an 'operation'. Let the police protect themselves.

Should the government continue with the crackdown or stop it?

The Govermentr should use all means neccessary to get rid of Mungiki which has obviously grown out of hand. Though I think that due to the nature of their activities (crimes) its one mungiki group against the other.
Is Mungiki same as the tent of the living God of that guy (the late) who used to have his church service under that tree ilikuwa kwa ile round about ya kuenda kariokor?

Safari 76,
But Ngonya wa gakonya's outfitt was very different from the Mungiki. Although they had also began collecting teh fees from the Matatus plying the Githurai Kahawa route, kamjesh took over and chas d them away from the busstops. Then Mungiki probably borrowed this concept and enforced it with precision. But now the Mungiki itself is an amorphous group that includes the kamjesh, the original Mungiki of Ndura waruinge, the Ngonya wa Gakonya group and a bunch of other extortionists.

I agree that the crackdown should and must continue, but great care should be taken not to vilify the innocent, otherwise, the logic of the exercise will be lost.

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Originally posted by Papa Daad:
Unfortunately, most of our leaders are members of Mungiki. Look at the Kikuyu parliamentarians, how many of them are not members of Mungiki? Avery very small minority, insignificantly small. In fact you can name them. And not just the sitting member, but both the former and the aspirants. It is only people like Kihara Mwangi, Magugu, Kamotho, Muriuki Karue, Peter Keneth, Wangari Mathai who are not members. And you know the Kikuyu saying, “Mumicaria na umirite ndamionaga.” The hunt of Mungiki member, that is currently going on is just a window dressing activity. As Michuki said, not of the Mungiki member will ever see an inside of the prison. May be for another clime, but not because of Mungiki activities. The executive is blaming the judicially for releasing Mungiki members, while the Judicially id blaming the executive for not proving enough evidence that Mungiki members are Mungiki members. Here, the hunter and the hunted are the same. It is like expecting a dog to catch its tail.

Papa Daad,

Criminal and murderous gangs, whatever their tribes, status in life or nationalities must not only be condemned by all but should also be fought by all.Nobody, no matter what cause he/she is fighting for must be allowed to take anothers life so brutally, so inhumanely. The killings have all the hallmark of satanic rituals.

I however dont agree with your statement that most parliamentarian from Central province support Mungiki. You seem to have some information that some of us dont have. If you really care about the rest of innocent kenyans who face this great threat of beheading, kindly foward the names of those parliamentarians to the law enforcement agencies for action. I know for once that Hon. Kembi Gitura whose constitiuency is a mungiki stronghold does not support this murderous group. My good friend martha karua has nothing to do with the group. I dont hold brief for the two, but i think from my interaction with them, there is no way they can be part of the membership.

These people live amongst us as brothers, relatives, friends, neighbours etc. It is our collective will and responsibility that will solve the menace. I hate to imagine of another mogandishu or bagdad where the sight of dead and mutilated bodies no longer elicit any emotions from the residents. Kenyans, it is time to pray and pray very very hard. We need God more than ever before.

Great pictures, but sad
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143969688

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Nyau ya Njangiri,

Let me give you a brief assignment. Get Kihara Mwangi. Tell him to give you the names and then take them to the so called the law enforcement agencies. That way I will know that you care, more than I do, about the innocent kenyans who are being behead. Ssshhh, take the names to Mazingira House at karura. Nyau ya Njagiri, go. Just go. Please just go. The CAT is on the loose.Take the names. After that, we will have the answer to the question. Who will tame him?

well said

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Papa Daad:
Nyau ya Njangiri,

Kindly forward the names of those parliamentarians to the law enforcement agencies for action.


People are terrified of forwarding the names because they know that mungiki will revenge.

Lakini the MP should be brave enough to forward the names then see what will happen. Before we all go to sleep tonight we should go before God and pray earnestly for our country.

Papa Daad,

I wont act on rumours and hearsay. What if tomorrow i claim that 90% of the members of this forum are mungiki? will u believe me? Hon. Kihara should give the basis of his remarks. He should tell the police who are these mungist MPS.

Nyau, are you trying to say that Kihara Mwangi anaropokwa tu? why then did other Mps accept that there was a raid? Kihara has already said that he reported the matter(to kasarani police?) so lets ask Karume what he knows about this? was the party hijack stage managed-by him? why is he denying that the incident did happen?

Nyau, you always claim to be a spy. well, what do you(yourself) know?

Nyau, you always claim to be a spy. well, what do you(yourself) know?

spy?...the cat is on the loose who will tame it????????

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Originally posted by wangu wa makeri:
spy?...the cat is on the loose who will tame it????????

The cat has lost its power of scenting rats, how will it recover it?