I am aware that words change meaning. But I would like to know who uses these words in the mainstream

1. gicokio
a. a married woman who has left her matrimonial home and returned to her parents
b. A single mother, who did not get married

2. kuguika
a. To have sex,
b. to cover, as in wearing clothes.

3. kariigu
a. uninitiated girl
b. a virgin
c. just any little girl

Who feels that due to the connotations associated with these words, they should be proscribed?

Does anyone know of other controversial words in Gikuyu

Interesting topic; I agree that there are many words whose usage over the years has changed and have become not only insolent but derogatory; used to put down others. Our language must be more dynamic and inclusive than it is and adapt and be relevant not just to us but to circumstances and people around us.I'm thinking of the following archaic words;

Nyukwa - is now an insult although old people get away with it; in my opinion the ugliest kyuk word.

Kihii – is it relevant today? has been used to degrade certain politicians.

Nduriri – who are these? Why don’t we have Nduriris from the east, coast or even from outside the country.

Calico – one can only appreciate the 'cheapness' of the slut if they know what a calico sheet is and they are no longer in circulation.

That’s all I can think of for now and hongera Sajini for keeping the forum alive.

Waikombe,
I am not a language purist, and I know that all efforts towards linguistic prescriptivism are bound to fail. On the other hand, I think there is need for languages to be reformed to exclude some of the biases. You only have to look at some of out nouns, idioms, and proverbs to understand this.

1. ngoma cia aka (a whirwind)
women are only possed by spirits; can never have valid points

2. ukigiite o ta nyukwa (a common derogatory expression)
no woman is clever

3. mundu wa nja ( a woman)
they belong nowhere, neither at their parents, nor their husbands.

4. uka ni wonje ( a male saying)
disabled both physically and mentally as a result of their gender.

Think of these terms: murogi, mundu mugo and muraguri.

Normally, I think women can be arogi, but not andu ago or araguri. am I right? if so, why?

Sajini!
kaaai gikuyu wateire ku?
kuguika na guthicha ti undu umwe!he ngurani nene!he kigachwa!

Muriahoro

Reke twarie tondu kirira ni uura thoni

Kuguika ni ta kuhita kana gwetha muundu muka either "umuwoo" akuhikire kana ugikome nake.

Guthicha ni gukoma na mundu muka kana "in detail" GUTHUITHANIA TUTHUGUMI"

Ngii Ndune,
Ongorwo ni hari mutaurire wakira ucio wa ithe wa Joel, ningukuhe kimuti kiria kinene muno kia mugaa kiri mugunda gwakwa ucine makara.

Ii, twire tondu Ithe wa Joel auga kirira ni uura thoni, no ndugakiruge mihaka.

Ithe wa Joel
Kiuria giakwa ni atiriri, ungikorwo uri muingi-ini ri, ungiaria atia ndeto icio? Tiga riitwa ta 'gukoma na...'ri, ni atia mundu angiuga nigetha ndagatuike niagira andu gitiio?

sajini,kuringana na wataririo ni kariuki kuguika ni ta kutongoza githweri,na kutongoza nilihuthagiruo kinya ni atongoria koguo gikuyu ni ithue turerigithia rurimi twinaruo.Kana ona ritwa kuuhana riria nie ngwichiria nirio Kariuki arataurire.
Kuringana na uria njuui nie kuguika,anake marua na mangia uririe uhiki wa muiritu na metikirio hatigare urihi wa ruracio,muiritu nietikagirio gucherera mwanake thingira wake na riria ari kuu mwanake niangiatonyirie kinya onuthu atagutura kaimana!--->>iyo niyo yetaguo nguiko!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

ngwihoka muriaaro

Ngii ndune; Niwega muno niguturirikania haria nguiko yuumite nduhititie nigukorwo nguiko kaari kahiinda kamwe karia mwanake acamanagia na mundu muka uria ekuhikia kihakuhi

No ninguririkana guka akindaariria uhoro uyu na akiinjira muiritu niathiaga kwa mwanake uria egukihikira no mundurume ndaagiriirwo ni kumutonyia ona kana kuhutithia. TOONDU NIKI?

1.Rurachio rutiari ruthiru ona kana hihi mundu muka uyu ndari arakinya wa gutinirio kiande.

2.Gitumi kia undu uyu nigeetha andu aya eeri mamenyane o ati niagima kimiiri eg. Mundurume amenye muthita wake ni 'normal' Nake muiritu amenye Nyoondo na karung'uthu gake ni iraikaikania na ikagia na thithi uria kwagiriire (Niukumenya airitu ni maruaga magatinio rung'uthu no magatigio kanyama kanini karia karimuteithagia akienda-----hahaha!! Wiihuririe!!

3.Undu ugi mundu angiamenyire ati 'partner 'yaake ndaraiithiria maundu maya ndagweta NO.2 waari undu wa mwanya tondu niaagitanagirwo kurii athuri akorwo ni muthuuri kana iheti akorwo ni muuiritu na maundu maya magagithondekwo nigeetha uthoni na ndugu itigaagikue.

4.Muundu aangia tonyirie kwari mahitia no tongiyagia matatawe makimenye no undu uria kwari ni atiri - kuri aanake kana ona aairitu aria mekuuagurwo ati nia aaganu aya nonginya nagia matatawe mangia muguririe mamenye hihi kana nigwatonywo

5.Niingi "its common sence" gutiri muundu ungirikira gutonyia tu na ndeende guitukwo

Gwenda guchokei sajini
Uuri muingiini niwaagirirwo nikurora nia muri nao hau angikorwo hari ciana ndagiriirwo nikuuga onaatia. No hari na andu agima noukigwete uge "gutaangikira maundu ma weendo"
kana" Gucemania na nyama horo "
ciugo ni nyiingi o kuringana na muuingi uria urinaguo

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Originally posted by sajini:
I am aware that words change meaning. But I would like to know who uses these words in the mainstream

1. gicokio
a. a married woman who has left her matrimonial home and returned to her parents
b. A single mother, who did not get married

2. kuguika
a. To have sex,
b. to cover, as in wearing clothes.

3. kariigu
a. uninitiated girl
b. a virgin
c. just any little girl

Who feels that due to the connotations associated with these words, they should be proscribed?

Does anyone know of other controversial words in Gikuyu

Sajini,

Let me revive this old thread. Some of these terms are no longer relevant particularly among the urbane youth.For instance, "kariigu" mean uncircumsied girl. You and i know that Kikuyus no longer circumcise their girls.With time,the word has lost meaning/relevance.

Gicokio.....I think the term has acquired derogatory connotations in the modern world. Single parenthood and divorce is no longer unusual occurrence among the Kikuyus. It is no longer a taboo among the kikuyus.And by the way, what do you call a man whose wife has left him in kikuyu?

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Originally posted by sajini:
3. kariigu
a. uninitiated girl
b. a virgin
c. just any little girl

Sajini,
Ningi he Kariigu ti virgin! He ritwa ria virgin ugikuyu!He kigacwa nguhe ndeto==> Kirira ni ura thoni!!

Ngii ndune,
Ndakuhe thoko ya Gachame na ya Gachatha.