Kikuyu.com    KIKUYU.COM    Forums  Hop To Forum Categories  General Discussions  Hop To Forums  Main Board    KQ and W. African route
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
KQ and W. African route
 Login/Join
 
"Ithe wa kipii"
Silver Member
Picture of waweru
Posted
Seven years only and another KQ plane goes down and within the same country. And fourty plus hours, the plane has not been located. Whom should we blame here? The weather, The country's laxity in rescue mission (Coz 48hrs is a bit questionable for a state not havig a clue especially in an incident like the above)?....

Should Kenya Airways do away with West African route/s?
and i ask again......
Should Kenya Airways do away with West African route/s?

How many other airways dont go to west africa but still make it in business? Should we wait for a third plane to crash, wait and have hopes for hours only to learn that were there a quick responce .... more lives could have been saved? How long did it take when kenyan authorities sent cries of distress when a building collapsed near/at nyamakima for the rescuers to arrive from as far as Israel.
The plane had flown for a few minutes and only a few kilometres from the airport yet it took the authorities 48 hours to reach the scene. Imagine.......
 
Posts: 413 | Registered: 06 April 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Gold Member
Picture of wa kariuki
Posted Hide Post
i dont know how wise it would be for them to do away with the West African route coz accidents do happen in whatever route and according to Naikuni all the routes are decided by the international airline something something i dont know if it is IATA am not sure but he says the consider all routes and pick on the safest, so according to Naikuni, thicket as that might be, it was picked after so much consideration as such it is the safest though safe is relative here...
accidents happen even in the clearest of routes, you cant avoid it so i guess all we have to do is pray and hope things remain safe for us always...
on the other hand i have issues with the length of time the rescuers took to get there, all along there were those rumors from the fishermen who heard the loud bang and water bla bla story and i think in any rescue when you dont know where to begin, every hint is worth listening to, you would rather get dissappointed than to ignore and discover you might have been like many hours ahead if you had listened to those fishermen in this case!! 48hrs are way too many if you ask me especially if you are in such a scenario! Frowner
But who was to blame here? the cameroon authorities or ours (for the delay?)
Anyways, this should serve as a leson hard as it might be but am sure our airlines, we as Kenyans/travelleres, media houses etc have learnt quite a bit i hope we will never have to go thru that kind of an expirience again!

Again our heartfelt condolensces for the berieved families, may the Almighty comfort all of you who have lost loved ones.


"It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"
 
Posts: 1497 | Location: Guku ni kuu? | Registered: 21 February 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Nyina wa Hazel"
Gold Member
Picture of Wakanyugî
Posted Hide Post
Waweru; If Kenya Airways pulled out are we saying that its time other airlines face the same fate as Kenya Airways?? Or Should West Africans be left without any means of air transport.... poor West Africans. Not fair...
From what we have been reading; the West Africa route has problems because of their weather; and the reason KQ started flying that route is because the WestAfrican Airlines were declared unsafe; hence KQ decided to take that route because they have been purchasing the latest BOIENGS which they probably thought can withstand the bad weather.
The Boeing which crashed 707 has a bad history despite being one of the latest models-Statistics shown to us (by media) say that since 2006 and now the total number of 707's which have crashed are 5!! So who's to blame here? Is it KQ for purchasing such a BOIENG? Is it the manufacturer from Seattle? or should WestAfricans be blamed for no fault of their own?
The Solution here is KQ to get BOIENGS which can counteract the challenging West African weather.
 
Posts: 1581 | Location: Kiamatawa | Registered: 14 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Silver Member
Picture of galileo
Posted Hide Post
tukiuge-atia ithui...

Its very true, accidents are not man planned. They just happen saddenly, tragically and unexpectedly. Here is where we comment and say, it is th I Am who gives and it is I Am who takes away. We are all in a journey, only that we do not know the day tis life will end, it may be the next sec, min, hrs, day, week, month, year or years to come. The route and place are not also in our diaries, only the I Am who knows.

I send my condolencies to the believed and the world at large. It is not time to blame for lateness in rescue, it was planned to happen that way. Ours is to take measures and more alertness next time...who knows, it might be me, you or a relative.

Thai thathayia Ngai Thai.- am not mungiki...


ka muingi koyaga ndiri(kikuyu pot)
 
Posts: 7 | Location: nairobi | Registered: 09 April 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Ithe wa kipii"
Silver Member
Picture of waweru
Posted Hide Post
Much condolences to the bereaved families, kenyans and world at large.

While i agree with you people and of course others who would argue that accidents are prone no matter the latest technology, my main concern here is the length of time taken the first word was heard about the ill fated plane. I mean, maybe one or two survivors could have been rescued had the cameroonian authorities acted on time.
 
Posts: 413 | Registered: 06 April 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Children.The Greatest Love of all."
Silver Member
Picture of Nyina Wa Bakhita
Posted Hide Post
It does not add up that KQ has lost 2 passenger flights that originated from the same country.Sabotage?Who knows.

KQ needs to have a talk with her pilots.Why would any Pilot,James Bond or not take off in bad weather and especially the kind of weather it was that night?Torrential rains!.Who in their right mind would clear that plane for take off?

Im more frustrated with the pilot,the flight crew and especially the control tower.
As for the rescuers,dont forget where that plane crashed.In the middle of a very dense Equitorial forest.Air search was out of the question.They had to cut through heavy thickets to get to the crash site.They did a very good job considering they are a poor country just like Kenya.
Always give credit where credit is due.

And yes accidents do happen but sometimes,they really do not have to.If the pilot had decided to wait for the downpour to cease,if the control tower had not cleared the plane for take off,maybe that plane would be intact today and the dead folks would be with their families .

May they rest in Peace.


Faith is not belief without proof but trust without reservations. -My Childrens Mama.
 
Posts: 801 | Location: Guciarwo-Nyiri Mukaro.Mucii-Valley of the Sun. | Registered: 10 July 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui"
Platinum Member
Picture of sajini
Posted Hide Post
I know all of us are concerned, but let us not make rush decisions. As the Cameroonians are saying other flights left before and after KQ plane. So I would take my time before I give in to any conspiracy theory.


Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments
 
Posts: 3133 | Location: Neither here nor there | Registered: 03 May 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Ithe wa kipii"
Silver Member
Picture of waweru
Posted Hide Post
This is exactly what is in the paper today (Standard) and also on their web site.

KQ flight 507 crash mystery

By Elizabeth Mwai and agencies

The ill-fated KQ flight 507 was hardly in the air for a minute before it came crashing down on Friday night, with its nine crew members and 105 passengers.


Rescue workers walk over scattered debris of the Kenya Airways plane that crashed in Mbanga Pongo, Cameroon.

Reports from Cameroon and released by the Government through its spokesperson, Dr Alfred Mutua, show that after take-off the plane was airborne for only 30 seconds before it crashed. The location where the wreckage of the Boeing 737 was found is exactly 5.42 kilometres from the runway and not 20km away as authorities in that country had earlier indicated.

This came to light even as President Kibaki declared Monday a national day of mourning for the victims of the plane crash

The Kenya Airways director of Flight Operations, Captain James Ouma, on Tuesday said considering the plane of this size moves at eight miles per minute, it was unlikely that it could have been returning to the airport.

"Our latest information show that the plane was only 30 seconds airborne but our experts on the ground are reviewing the transcripts to verify the conversation between the control tower and the captain," Ouma said........

SOURCE :
http://www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=1143968364
 
Posts: 413 | Registered: 06 April 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Silver Member
Picture of Wakabutha
Posted Hide Post
How about having a little patience and letting the crash investigations reveal what really might have happened? Speculating is not helping anyone in this case. The media will write whatever they think will make their stories sell.
 
Posts: 260 | Location: Nyairobi | Registered: 15 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
"Ithe wa Muthoni na Jayson"
Platinum Member
Posted Hide Post
I liked the way Titus Naikuni handled the whole issue by asking especially the journalists not to speculate and wait for official communication. I think we should respect that. I have traveled that flight several times in the past and I know sometime the weather can be a bit unfavorable. My heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of the affected.


"mûthuri aikarîire njûng'wa onaga kuraya kûrî kîhîî kîhaicîte mûtî"
 
Posts: 2932 | Registered: 04 May 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Silver Member
Picture of jane
Posted Hide Post
Even before the monday the national mourning day,another 12 pple die in Loiyangalani division in Marsabit!!This is so sad.God give strength to the friends and family of the victims.
 
Posts: 752 | Location: Mucii Kirinyaga:Wira California | Registered: 28 March 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata  
 

Kikuyu.com    KIKUYU.COM    Forums  Hop To Forum Categories  General Discussions  Hop To Forums  Main Board    KQ and W. African route