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| "Muru wa Njeri" Silver Member  |
I think if a man wants to use his womans "back door" then he does not genuinely love and appreciate her, but is using her as a sex toy to satisfy his perveted desires. The bigest influence for this is drugs and pornography. One day curiosity took me to a sex shop in Frankfurt. The things I saw! if you have the right amount of euros you can even buy an inflatable woman complete with adjustable sizes. I tell you sexual fantasy has no end. Now if any lady allows herself to be used like the dummy, that tell you about their self esteem. www,vibrantekenya.com | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member  |
Muhuthia, There is nothing unnatural about homosexuality. Warimwari has said it well that ":...when we are bothered so much by what others do in their bedrooms says more about us than them". This whole question of if it is natural or unnatural is about our phobias rather than what gays or lesbians will do or will not do. It is also the case of marginalization and discrimination that echoes a very sad but familiar line. ...intertribal marriages are unnatural... ...blacks and whites unions are unnatural... ...twins are unnatural... ...left handedness is unnatural... ...deaf signing is unnatural... And the very epitome of egoism. ....anyone who is different from me is unnatural ... The good thing is that these fallacies are being deconstructed every day by people who are ready to stand up for fundamental rights of the marginalized, and the resilience of the downtrodden to fight for their rights. Gays will not steal your lovers, unless they were closet case gays. Why waste time codemning those who do pose no danger to you. Coming to the question of populating the earth, I belief that nature has a way of regulating itself. The current overpopulation is a time bomb that can explode any time. I do not want to invoke Malthus that natural desasters are cosmic regulating mechanisms. However, I propose that the increasing number of gays and lesbians may actually be a good way of maintaining population balance. Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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Bestiality is unnatural?! Who is going to fight for these downtrodden and much maligned members of our society,whose real sexual urges are uncommon but natural. Deconstruct these fears and prejudices so that these guys can mate with giraffes and goats! Oooh yeah,great freedom fighters!! Be brave..summon your greatness..embrace hope.. You'll be regarded great heroes.Let them mate with rats,donkeys and your dogs for its alright!This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ngii Ndune!!, Wakia wakini? Wi muhoro? | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member |
Ngii Ndune, With all due respect, just check my posts here and point to me where I mention bestiality, unless you categorize gays as animals. Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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Sajini, This is a follow up to this previous quoted post.I classify both relationships as both unnatural and strangely uncommon to our norms and cultures! According to your posts here;can you really blame the guys who practice bestiality? If you do let me know your qualifiers and differentiators that demarcates between these two lifestyle choices.Where is it going to stop? Please educate a native African like I! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Ngii Ndune!!, Wakia wakini? Wi muhoro? | |||
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| "Muru wa Njeri" Silver Member |
The good thing is that these fallacies are being deconstructed every day by people who are ready to stand up for fundamental rights of the marginalized, and the resilience of the downtrodden to fight for their rights. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Sajini If I must point it out to you a man does not have the biological facility to satisfy another man's sexual desires (nor woman to woman). Homo sexuality is not a sexual orientation, it is not a life style it is mental pervesion pure and simple. No matter how much advocacy it cannot be right same as pedophilia, bestiality, sodomy etc. These people belong to jails and mental institutions not loose in society, these are people who suffer from physiological/psycological deformity they have no right except to treatment and confinment. I would sooner be activist for kleptomaniacs and use the qouted text in my campaigns. www,vibrantekenya.com | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member |
There is no mystery in objectivity. Once you cast aside the phobia with people with alternative lifestyle and culture, it becomes clear that their lifestyles are just as strange and irrational as yours is to them. Very few people chose their lifestyles, they are socialized into them. Norms of morality is nothing but a negotiated social contract that is subject to repeal when conditions change. In this miracle of human reproduction, genetic mutation can give amazing results. You cannot say someone sexual orientation whose genetic mutation took a different path from yours is unnatural. When this reality becomes acceptable, then the social norms are re-negotiated and redefined. Yes, statististics are overwhelmingly in favor of straights, otherwise, the human race would become extinct. But remember that statistics are a set of generalizations and only point to general tendencies. They are not very good in informing us about the overall specifics. Those excluded from statistical generalizations are no less important. As for bestiality. I am totally against and this is why. I belive that sex must always be consensual. Animals cannot be consent. Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member |
Muhuthia, Why do you speak for them? You do not know if they are satisfied or not. Why would a married person, who is 'satified' by his/her spouse still seek altrenative satisfaction. I submit that this happen because society forces them to be who they are not. It is interesting how you classify homosexuals with bestiality and pedophilia. There is no comparison at all. Pedophilia and bestiality borders on abuse. There is no consent between the parties involved. And where consent is involved in cases of pedophilia, the party is not yet mature enough to makes independent decisions. Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. . . . If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them" (Lev. 18:22, 20:13). @sajini, I totally agree with the bible. Gũtirĩ wairegi ũtũire. | |||
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Natural Law People have a basic, ethical intuition that certain behaviors are wrong because they are unnatural. We perceive intuitively that the natural sex partner of a human is another human, not an animal. The same reasoning applies to the case of homosexual behavior. The natural sex partner for a man is a woman, and the natural sex partner for a woman is a man. Thus, people have the corresponding intuition concerning homosexuality that they do about bestiality—that it is wrong because it is unnatural. Natural law reasoning is the basis for almost all standard moral intuitions. For example, it is the dignity and value that each human being naturally possesses that makes the needless destruction of human life or infliction of physical and emotional pain immoral. This gives rise to a host of specific moral principles, such as the unacceptability of murder, kidnapping, mutilation, physical and emotional abuse, and so forth. Gũtirĩ wairegi ũtũire. | |||
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"I Was Born This Way" Because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. For example, scientific studies suggest some people are born with a hereditary disposition to alcoholism, but no one would argue someone ought to fulfill these inborn urges by becoming an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not an acceptable "lifestyle" any more than homosexuality is. Gũtirĩ wairegi ũtũire. | |||
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What a contradiction here,if norms are just but a negotiated social contract then let's renegotiate your opposition to bestiality too! Given your cited evidence of genetic mutation of these folks,and according to your earlier statements; How can we condemn these poor folks who practice bestiality when evidentially it isn't their fault? As for consent that you write about it is a inter-genus social standard,hence according to your logic we have to redefine our social intra-genus social contracts! That's the tragedy with your logic here. A few years ago homosexuality was the abominable thing now some social elites are shoving down our throats through mass media,in the next few years who knows what we'll be dealing with;bestiality? I propose to you that in any society for its own good,existence and self perpetuation, regulates itself.The majority wins and that is completely fair and just! These norms are not just social contracts bound to all types of re negotiations no! They are guided by what is right and wrong,we extend these definitions to everything that we do in life.Murder is wrong in a remote village in Polynesia just as it is in a high rise in Chicago! These two societies have been disconnected and alienated from each other for eons yet they have same fundamental rights and wrongs! Some thing about human race? If the overwhelming majority says its wrong then it is.That is democracy for heavenly sakes! Au revoir! Wakia wakini? Wi muhoro? | |||
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| "Muru wa Njeri" Silver Member |
Totally agreed. By majority of 4 to 1 homosexuality is bad the individuals who practice it need treatment. Sorry to note that contries and churches that are condoning homosexuality are prohibiting polygamy what hypocrisy? I am a polygamist at heart not a practicing one. Long live polygamy! Happy new year friends! www,vibrantekenya.com | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member |
The Bible falls in the category of the worst moral guides. 1. It encourages pimping: Abraham had to pimp Sarah to save his skin 2. It condones sex slavery. i.e. keeping of harems, David, Abraham etc 3. It condones incest e.g. Lot and his daughters 4. It licences prostitution..Remember that woman whose son dies and his brothers denied her their semen? Their father paid for her 'services' and got her pregnant. ...and many more. According to my morality, all teh above are wrong. Why then would I trust the Bible to be my moral guide? Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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| "Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui" Platinum Member |
Wamax, Naturalness is a subjective term. Sometimes, what is natural or unnatural is a matter of opinion. I do not believe we should trust intuition to tell us what is natural or not. The reason is that the boundary between intuition and emotion is very thin. Our emotional biases can act as scaffolds for paranoia. Either way, intuitions and emotions that promote discimination of fellow because of their orientation, that does not threaten them in any way, humans are wrong. Emotions are the greatest enemy of rational arguments | |||
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