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"Children.The Greatest Love of all."
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Good Sunday Nyumba.I hope you and yours are doing fine.Gwitu tutiri na Uuru no Mwathani Mwega.I wonna share something with you this morning.

I know we have fathers and fathers to be in this house.Mpigakura got me thinking this.I think mk is the consequence of his fathers sins.Maybe the father was nowhere to be found or worse.That he was there and treated his wife like dirt.When a father disrespects his wife infront of the kids,you are telling them that this is how life goes.For the girls,they think that is how their husbands should treat them and for the boys,they think women should be treated like that.

Its up to the child to choose the right way.Wrong or Right.That is a very huge responsibility for a child.But if he is a smart kid,he will choose wisely and stand up to his father and say no.If he is not a so smart kid,then God help that child.

If the father opts to stay out of the childrens lives,the mother has a very difficult job when it comes to guthomithia ciana the right way.

The voice of the father is one to be feared.If a child is misbehaving and hears the father talking outside,he/she will stop.The father should have the major role of showing the kids the right way.I believe that is why God gave men an authoratitive voice.

I know the Bible says that children will not be punished for the sins of the fathers.But it also says that sin can influence events far beyond the third and fourth generations.
(Lamentations 5:1-7).Remember the sins of Adam and Eve,their punishment from God which was death has gone far beyond.We,the generations are still dying.

Whatever wrongs you do,you are doing it to your children too cause they learn by watching and doing what they see their parents do.
The time for change is now.Lest you wake up in your grave one day and detest the things your children became.

Peace.

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Solution,
Abolish the family. Start communes where all children will be raised the same way.


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Solution,
Abolish the family. Start communes where all children will be raised the same way.
Sajini
This is not far fetched! There is a tribe in interior of China where girls get children but stay in their maternal homes with their mothers , sisters and brothers and the girls' kids. The biological fathers of their kids stay also in their maternal homes to help their mothers , sisters, other brothers & their blood-sisters kids. No marriage in this tribe. Girls meet boys but not for marriage! Weird?
 
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I guess you would have to have lived a good family life to understand and appreciate the values of a family.We learn by seeing and listening.God Bless all the families out there.He is the only hope.


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Solution,
Abolish the family. Start communes where all children will be raised the same way.


Saj,
You dont solve a problem by running away from it.Why give someone elses your responibility?

Wa B,
The sermon today in the church we go to was about fathers.The pastor was saying that the dad need to be a role model in family so the children can enumerate him.He need to also make his kids feel at ease with him so they can speak openly to him when they have issues that need to be resolved...He also mentioned about boys treating girls the same way they would like someone else treating their siters.It was beautiful!Maybe I should send you a CD(will talk on the other line)

All in all parents should bring their kids in such a way that haka kama watapotoka,the parents have done their part and it's up to them to decide what they want with their lives Smiler
 
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Jane,I would really appreciate the Cd thank you .I believe that family should be our priority.Ningukuariria naharia hangi nguhe address.


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All in all parents should bring their kids in such a way that haka kama watapotoka,the parents have done their part and it's up to them to decide what they want with their lives

Exactly my policy and what I am practising. Good point Jane


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Thanks Ngunjiri.
I will be glad to send you a Cd too and I am sure youll love it if you dont mind. Smiler(will talk)
 
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Wa Bhakita,

I believe children learn from many sources nowadays. If you check the number of hours most parents spend with their children, you will be shocked. It is such a negligible time. We have left our children in the care of maids (nannies), teachers, television, and the company of other children and strangers. We work round the clock, mostly getting home well after the children have slept. Reason- We have to work a little harder to make them comfortable. On Sunday, we all go to church , chat with friends and probably have visitors in the afternoon . When then do we spend time with our children so that they can learn good manners from us.

Wa B, most Kenyan parents’ idea of entertaining children is at best weird. I walk into most pubs in Nairobi and I am horrified at what I see- parents with hordes of children in tow swirling beer and nyama choma till very late. Most seem to think that as long as a recreational centre has a bouncing castle and a few swings for the children to play, and as long as the children have fun, then it is okay. How then do you expect them to shun alcohol, cigarette and other vices that adults exhibit in those places. Both men and women are equally guilty of this. Hope in stato it is different.

At home, we settle down to watch popular Mexican and Spanish soap operas with our children. Most ladies are guilty of this. And what are the themes in all these soaps-immorality, cheap sex, and adultery. Mostly the language used is at best lewd and at times uncouth. Will the children not learn from this. This is what I call “the big television syndrome”. Wa B, just look at the type of music videos being aired by our local televisions. AS a parent, you will be horrified by the amount of nudity and vulgar language used. Worst still, most of them are aired around 4-5pm (Kenyan time) when the young children have gone back home and the parents are busy at work.

In all these things (TV, Music videos, Soaps etc), women are treated as nothing more than sex objects. It is sad but true. What will stop our children from picking up such bad habits? Look at some of the advertisements aired both locally and abroad. How do they treat women?? What is the central theme in all of them?? Whenever they use a nice lovely model to promote Embassy or some other cigarettes, how will my young daughter interpret the message?-beautiful girls smoke, it is a cool thing

Last December, I took my small niece (4 years old) to water splash for a bash organized by Jumbo junior , cooperative bank. You will be shocked how those young innocent kids play a long those dirty songs and dirty dances. Henceforth I changed my perception of what a good bank should be. These are our future leaders.

Wa B, lets move a little bit to our family get together. We play mugithi music some of which may carry very bad message especially about women. We swirl beer, smoke and talk without a care that our children are listening. I can go on and on. In short Wa B, sometimes the children behaviors are influenced by many factors beyond a parents control. I look at most kids nowadays and wonder whether it is worthwhile bringing forth some in this world. AT that point I get confused and delay the decision indefinitely.


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Alley Cat i agree with you that our kids learn alot from many other sources but deep in my heart i know parents influence kids way more than we know. they might not spend as much time with their parents as compared to what they spend with their teachers and nannies/maids but look at your kids well you will realize that they admire us so much they emulate us even without necessarily spending that much time together. so its vital we play our role well as parents coz regardless things still go and can wrong but we can look back and say i did my best and like it says in Proverbs 22:6 Train [a] a child in the way he should go,
and when he is old he will not turn from it.

so, lets nit blame the TV etc but lets do what we are supposed to do, and pray for them coz even we grew up with that but the good training we got while growing up somehow sobered us up when we were almost losing it. all the best parents


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Alley Cat i agree with you that our kids learn alot from many other sources but deep in my heart i know parents influence kids way more than we know. they might not spend as much time with their parents as compared to what they spend with their teachers and nannies/maids but look at your kids well you will realize that they admire us so much they emulate us even without necessarily spending that much time together. so its vital we play our role well as parents coz regardless things still go and can wrong but we can look back and say i did my best and like it says in Proverbs 22:6 Train [a] a child in the way he should go,
and when he is old he will not turn from it.

so, lets nit blame the TV etc but lets do what we are supposed to do, and pray for them coz even we grew up with that but the good training we got while growing up somehow sobered us up when we were almost losing it. all the best parents



You said it all Wa KAriuki.No matter how much time you spend with your kids,you should try your best to teach them the right way.
 
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Nyina wa B,
I was thinking about this topic and my mind went to foster children. Let us imagine this scenario, a girl meets a man, they play and unfortunately the girl conceives and the man bolts. Out of fear, the girl throws the child into a ditch. Luckily, a good samaritan saves the child and takes it to a foster home whne it is given up for adoption.

If the child turns out to be a crook, whose mistake is it?, the biological parents or the foster parents? What about the reverse scenario?

Is inherritance of sins genetic (from the biblical point of view) or social?

Methinks that everything has to do with the society, and the parents have very marginal role in it.


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Wa Bhakita,

I believe children learn from many sources nowadays. If you check the number of hours most parents spend with their children, you will be shocked. It is such a negligible time. We have left our children in the care of maids (nannies), teachers, television, and the company of other children and strangers. We work round the clock, mostly getting home well after the children have slept. Reason- We have to work a little harder to make them comfortable. On Sunday, we all go to church , chat with friends and probably have visitors in the afternoon . When then do we spend time with our children so that they can learn good manners from us.

Wa B, most Kenyan parents’ idea of entertaining children is at best weird. I walk into most pubs in Nairobi and I am horrified at what I see- parents with hordes of children in tow swirling beer and nyama choma till very late. Most seem to think that as long as a recreational centre has a bouncing castle and a few swings for the children to play, and as long as the children have fun, then it is okay. How then do you expect them to shun alcohol, cigarette and other vices that adults exhibit in those places. Both men and women are equally guilty of this. Hope in stato it is different.

At home, we settle down to watch popular Mexican and Spanish soap operas with our children. Most ladies are guilty of this. And what are the themes in all these soaps-immorality, cheap sex, and adultery. Mostly the language used is at best lewd and at times uncouth. Will the children not learn from this. This is what I call “the big television syndrome”. Wa B, just look at the type of music videos being aired by our local televisions. AS a parent, you will be horrified by the amount of nudity and vulgar language used. Worst still, most of them are aired around 4-5pm (Kenyan time) when the young children have gone back home and the parents are busy at work.

In all these things (TV, Music videos, Soaps etc), women are treated as nothing more than sex objects. It is sad but true. What will stop our children from picking up such bad habits? Look at some of the advertisements aired both locally and abroad. How do they treat women?? What is the central theme in all of them?? Whenever they use a nice lovely model to promote Embassy or some other cigarettes, how will my young daughter interpret the message?-beautiful girls smoke, it is a cool thing

Last December, I took my small niece (4 years old) to water splash for a bash organized by Jumbo junior , cooperative bank. You will be shocked how those young innocent kids play a long those dirty songs and dirty dances. Henceforth I changed my perception of what a good bank should be. These are our future leaders.

Wa B, lets move a little bit to our family get together. We play mugithi music some of which may carry very bad message especially about women. We swirl beer, smoke and talk without a care that our children are listening. I can go on and on. In short Wa B, sometimes the children behaviors are influenced by many factors beyond a parents control. I look at most kids nowadays and wonder whether it is worthwhile bringing forth some in this world. AT that point I get confused and delay the decision indefinitely.


****Paka Alley,Im with Wa Kariuki on this one.It is true children today learn from many sources.But just because they do doesnt mean that the care givers should let them do everything they see on television or see or hear elsewhere.PakaA,if the rest of the world said lets go jump off the cliff,would you?Knowing you,I know what you would say.Let me see you jump first or show me how its done. SmilerRight PA?Right.

Parents and the care givers have total control on what children can and can not watch on tv.What friends they get to keep and so forth.There is what we call parental control on tv and the computer.And even if they get to watch some of that stuff,it is the parents responsibility to sit and talk with the kids.

Personally,I control what music they buy.And as long as me and the father are the ones paying the bills,they go by our rules.There is no discussion about that.I do not let them watch some tv channels here like BET.When they make new friends,I have to visit their home so I can see how they interact with their parents or caregivers.Its a parents and the caregivers responsibility to get to know who their children are hanging out with.

Like Gikuyu said,mucera na mukundu akundukaga otagwo.

And PA,I can never have a maid to take care of my kids.That is my job and no other woman has the right to play mommy to my kids.NO! Not in this lifetime.I also get to spend more time with their father when we have family times where we just sit and talk.We listen to the kids concerns and needs.That is my favourite part in my job as a parent and as a wife too.Just watching them talk and seeing how happy they are makes me give myself a pat on the back and say,way to go woman.You have brought those smiles to their faces.

Did I tell you Im selfish too? Big Grin


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Nyina wa B,
I was thinking about this topic and my mind went to foster children. Let us imagine this scenario, a girl meets a man, they play and unfortunately the girl conceives and the man bolts. Out of fear, the girl throws the child into a ditch. Luckily, a good samaritan saves the child and takes it to a foster home whne it is given up for adoption.

If the child turns out to be a crook, whose mistake is it?, the biological parents or the foster parents? What about the reverse scenario?

Is inherritance of sins genetic (from the biblical point of view) or social?

Methinks that everything has to do with the society, and the parents have very marginal role in it.


***Sajini,it is sad that things like these happens.In this case,I would blame the man for bolting.If he knew he could not handle the responsibility ,he should have kept his pants zipped.The girl too is to blame too cause she should have known better than that.

And yes the Bible talks about inheritance of the sin.I think it is more the inheritance of the consequences of the sin.

The best way would be to teach our children the word.Teach them the Lords way and then Leave It To God.


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The best way would be to teach our children the word.Teach them the Lords way and then Leave It To God.

That is the only way to ensure that the kids will turn out right.
Minus God...who is to blame but the (parent?)...

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Methinks that everything has to do with the society, and the parents have very marginal role in it.

Sajini,
you could do your very best but if you do not involve God in the bringing up of the children,do not expect good results. You could be lucky and they turn out to be angels. But which good angel is on his own? Without God they are nothing.
 
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