The preacher man this morning said "man is headed to hell by default" he went on to say if man does not take action to change his course he will end up in hell.

I am still pondering.

My view was man belongs to God (default) and is estranged from God by his action(sin).

What is what?

There is no heaven or hell

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Originally posted by sajini:
There is no heaven or hell

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Sajini just to add to ur words..
Wat n wea is heaven and hell?According to the bible The SuperNatural Power " God " said "
ndikanina andu akwa na mwaki kana maai..mutharabaini hau niho twarihirio mehia maitu..i tend to believe tht HEaven is riria tuiganiire miturireini itu, riria ukuona maundu maku me mega na ukaigua riu uiganiire. Kana andu magaguthondera heaven to live for.Hell ni hindi iria maundu mathuka, ukaigua riu uihuiruo ni mehia,ukagirika muno na ukanyituo ni kieha, ukaga kuiganira wega.Na ona mundu uria ungi no agutuikire hell, riria akurakaria, ukamuruma kana agaguthukiria maisha..hindi iyo nirio Hell yukaga.
However evrybody experiences Heaven or hell at some time..So no life after death, no soul goes to heaven as we have never heard of a soul tht went to hell....
Sajini i support: NO hell and No heaven

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Originally posted by sajini:
There is no heaven or hell

Quite a consolation, sometimes I suspect this fact may be true. I have never really been clear about the issue but just incase hell actually exists I do not want last minute everlasting unpleasant suprise.

Honestly, that is one fear I long to over come. The fear of hell.

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Originally posted by Muhuthia:

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Originally posted by sajini:
There is no heaven or hell

Quite a consolation, sometimes I suspect this fact may be true. I have never really been clear about the issue but just incase hell actually exists I do not want last minute everlasting unpleasant suprise.

Honestly, that is one fear I long to over come. The fear of hell.

Hell or Heaven is a state of mind. When you have no money for kegi, the agony you go through is HELL. When mama of the house is in good mood and sort you out in those matters perfectly, your boss send you to sychelles or Hawaii, you friends buy you drums of keg, your children excel and your bank account overflows with dollars and your health is perfect.Now that is heaven ladies and gentlemen.

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Hell or Heaven is a state of mind. When you have no money for kegi, the agony you go through is HELL. When mama of the house is in good mood and sort you out in those matters perfectly, your boss send you to sychelles or Hawaii, you friends buy you drums of keg, your children excel and your bank account overflows with dollars and your health is perfect.Now that is heaven ladies and gentlemen.

I am in hell already, I only go to heaven on friday evenings!

look at this story

The priest was preparing a man for his long day's journey into night.

Whispering firmly, the priest said, "Denounce the devil! Let him know how little you think of his evil!"

The dying man said nothing so the priest repeated his order.

Still the dying man said nothing.

The priest asked, "Why do you refuse to denounce the devil and his evil?"

The dying man said, "Until I know where I'm heading, I don't think I ought to aggravate anybody."

There is life after death, so where is it if Heaven and hell are stetes of mind?

Here is the Answer....The Truth..


http://searchlightfortruth.com/uploads/Is_Heaven_Our_Default_Destination.pdf

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Originally posted by sajini:
There is no heaven or hell

My Dear Friends, there is a real Heaven and a real Hell.. Iherero ti kwaga mbeca kana gutungana na mathina ma thi-ino na Kwa Ngai ti gikeno kiria kiumanaga na maundu ma thi-ino iyuiritwo ni nduma na waganu..

Iherero ni Mwaki utahorekaga uhariirio niundu wa shaitani na araika ake o undu umwe na andu aria maregete kwirira.. Kwa Ngai gugatonywo ni aria meririte na magetikira mwathani Jesu..

Mutikareke mucukani amuhenie ati gutiri Jehanamu kana Iguru. Mwirirei riu mwi muoyo, mwarikia kuuma thi-ino muteririte mutiri na kiirigiriro; mugaikio mwaki-ini muture muhiaga.

Kuguuririo 20.15
"Na mundu akorwo atari mwandike ibuku-ini ria muoyo ni guikio aikirio iria-ini riu ria mwaki."

Luke 16.29-31 (KJV)
"Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

Murutuo nindakuigua wega muno. I am taught that heaven or hell are destinies for souls depending on their relationship with God. but tha does not mean whe should not question in order to gain better understanding and probably deepen our faith too.

I do not think Heaven and hell are Physical places but a phenomenon (i.e something perceived or experienced) for the soul. Remember our physical bodies will be left here on earth so they will not be available for burning in hell (though our bodyis mostly responsble for getting our soul sent to hell in the first place).

I would much prefer to do good because i love God than out of fear of hell, if at the end of the day i do not deserve a place in heaven so be it, it is not lonely in hell, well..

Mathayo 13.47-50
"Ningi, uthamaki wa iguru uhanaine na rugara runene rua ndigi ruria rwaikirio iria thiini, rukiungania ciunguyu mithemba yothe: naruo ruaiyura, andu makirugucia rugiki-ini, magiikara thi, magithurania iria njega magiciikia ikabu-ini,, nacio iria njuru magicite. Uguo no taguo gugekwo ithiriro-ini ria mahinda maya: Araika nimagoka mamuranie aria oru na aria athingu, na maikie aria oru icua-ini riria inene ria mwaki: Kuu nikuo gukagia kiriro na kuhagarania magego."