Beste,Geithika muno na Ngai akurathime.Nithomete ciuria ciaku makiria kiuria gia kiria gitumaga andu aingi marumirire Ngai uria wokire na miceni.

Nii hoyaga Ngai uria Gikuyu na Mumbi mahoyaga.Ii Ngai wa Kirinyaga.Ngai uria Mathaai meetaga Enkai. Na nowe andu a ruguru meetaga Nyasaye.

I believe that we all believe in the One and Only Supernatural Power, Ngai.God according to Athungu.Others use different names for Ngai.The main issue is that we all have different ways of getting to Ngai.Some like me believe the only way is Via Jesus Christ.Why?Because I have been through hell on earth.And every time things got so bad I called out to Jesus and He always rescued me.Yes.He is my Lord.I tell it every chance I get.Whether others follow him or not is not my problem.That should be their problem.

The reason why I follow the micenis way of getting to my Ngai is because they do not have obnoxiuos rules.I follow every rule in the Bible without going eeeeeeewwwwww!Gross!

About the Kikuyu culture,I still follow some.Others,No way in heaven I would ever do that or let my children follow .Circumcision was one of them.I said no.My parents supported me.That is one of the few sick cultures that our ancestors concocted.Back then it was the men who made the rules.They still make the rules and still discriminate on women.Do you honestly think I would encourage my Girls to accept that?I teach them that they have every right the boys have.They can do anything a man can do.

Then there is the bride price.That is a NO! NO! NO! to me.I'm not some sheep in a sheep market and the highest bidder pays the price.My parents knew when I was a very young child that no man will ever pay for me.I was not gonna let that happen.I was a child not some commodity.No man in this world can afford to pay for my Girls.They are worth much more than money can ever buy.They are my Treasure.

You asked why we use the white avatars.4 starters,there aren't many black avatars.It also depends on what one wants to portray.My children are my passion for life.When I picked my avatar,there wasn't an avatar of a black woman with child so I picked the white woman .It really does not matter what colour green red black or white as long as the message is the same.

And to think they are still preaching this.
I guess my son will have to marry a woman outside the dowry paying clans cause I would never accept that kind of a woman as my daughter in law.Never!

Brides who pay their price
Last Updated on September 30, 2007, 12:00 am
By Erick Wamanji

The bride is making her entry alone: no groom, no best man, no best maid. Still, the village is euphoric. Locals gather in frenzy, tapping their feet rhythmically to a song. The smell of roast meat blends effortlessly with that of traditional brew, chitchat, the clatter of cutlery, foot trumping and the shrill songs in a neat choreography.

It is a big day. The clan is receiving the bride wealth of their daughter — only that this is coming from the daughter’s reserves, rather than from a groom. Further, the daughter is old enough to have had grandchildren. In this area, as in much of Kikuyu land, bride price is more than just a cementing reward that parents receive for the ‘loss’ of their daughter to the suitor. Dowry here has another symbolic meaning: before it is paid out, the woman cannot graduate to a level where she may enjoy certain adult privileges. This is why women are increasingly having to pay their own bride wealth.

But why should the modern Kikuyu woman agree to be bound by these old customs? "Everybody is doing it," says Jacinta Wanjiru of Kiamwee in Maragwa District. "I paid my bride wealth a few months ago. My daughter was getting married, yet my parents had not received mine."

In order to qualify to receive her daughter’s dowry, Wanjiru first had to pay her debt to society; she had to ‘buy herself’ from her parents’ household by paying them what is considered their right — bride wealth, which ought to have been paid ages before. She explains: "I found it scandalous and fraudulent to accept my daughter’s wealth. It is why I took the initiative. Now my daughter is happily wedded."

She says that, earlier, "peace was unfamiliar to us. The family was crumbling: they were fraught with disease, financial hitches and even disunity" — the uncanny consequences of her indebtedness to her parents. Terrified by the looming curse, she says, she sought an elder’s counsel, and she was advised to "honour tradition. I then approached my mother and we negotiated. She was very positive."

Wanjiru’s payout included bananas, traditional brew, goats, money and other gifts. "I bought myself out!" And did she have a rejuvenating experience! Listen to this now happier woman: "From then, I felt like a new being. Things just started working... I have no regrets." Today, she says that if custom dictates that people do this many times over, she would pay up without hesitation.

Forestalling the ultimate curse

Among the Kikuyu, the ritual of "buying oneself", as it is called, is considered sacred and a stepping-stone to a blissful future. Tribulations and misery, women caution, visit whoever ignores this critical rite. "The ceremony must be done if one is to enjoy peace," insist Bernadette Njeri, another woman who bought herself out.

Society caught up with Njeri at Landless Estate, about 20km from Thika town. Njeri, a single mother, explains that her son was due for nuptials, yet she could not sanction it until she had cleared her ‘debt’.

And in Ngong, businesswoman Hanna Gitau has just started the process of kurashia (paying out bride wealth), the first step of which is launching the negotiations, in this case with her own parents. "I have paid the first goat," she says with pride. "I am yet to complete the process." She adds: "Believe me, it is a burden I want to get off my shoulders soonest. Most of my peers completed theirs and are now happy."

In spite of urbanisation, this age-old practice is gaining in popularity. In most parts of Central Province, Wanjiru claims, such celebrations have invaded weekend diaries, easily jostling for space with erstwhile popular functions like funerals and weddings. Most affected women are single mothers. Others are widows whose husbands may have died before clearing with their in-laws. Recalls Njeri: "This practice died away, and people ignored it. I’m happy that it is returning." Bride wealth, she asserts, is a parent’s right. "Women have to take responsibility because some men are either unable or too sly for commitment."

One single mother observes: "For me, paying up was relieving. It was like a sauna exposure. To my surprise, once I paid my debt, I felt fresher, lighter and vibrant."

Previously afflicted with weight loss problems, a phenomenon that is still detested by many and seen as a sign of disease or a curse, Njeri says with a chuckle: "Now I am even increasing weight. The wakeful nights are over. That burden was like a jigger in a toe. It was weighing me down."

Of course, not all modern Kikuyus subscribe to the practice. "That is unheard of," frowns Josephat Mwangi, a social worker in Ngong. "Cultures vary. To the best of my knowledge, African women were never single. And then men were reliable: in case of death, inheritance of the bereaved woman was an alternative." This new development of women ‘buying themselves’, he believes, is artificial, and was probably invented by enterprising parents who wish to extort their children by sending them on guilt trips.

But others find it interesting. "Culture is dynamic," says Prof John Oloo, an anthropologist based in Nairobi. "What we are witnessing is a response to a need." Culture, he observes, evolves and regulates itself. If a woman feels guilty or ashamed, for instance because she was never married, she may like the idea of assuaging the pain by making peace with her parents.

Wanjiru laments that some people view this practice as a consequence of ignorance. "They argue that it is shameful for one to pay one’s own price. But that is what I believe in. It has worked for me."

In the absence of parents, as was the case with Njeri, the wealth goes to the elder brother, via the maternal uncle. Central to the elaborate ceremony is the front goat limb and rib (in Kikuyu called kiande). Roasted, meat from this section of a goat is eaten by the groom, who then offers a portion to the bride. Once partaken of, this is a binding oath. The woman shares her piece with her peers — and the gods are appeased.

"I had to bring witnesses," remembers Njeri. These, she says, stand by your side, just as happens when one takes an official oath.

Recalls Ruth Wairimu of Banana, Kiambu: "My (late) husband had a debt of five goats and some money. I approached my group members for support. We bought three goats. I raised money for the rest (the balance). Then friends escorted me home and I delivered the cargo to my parents."

Apart from the curse that ostensibly looms large, women who fail to pay up, it is said, are sidelined and stigmatised. Thankfully, women’s groups are playing a critical role towards bailing out their peers. Generally, the burden is heaviest for the eldest daughter; unless her wealth is received, she ‘blocks’ the way for her junior siblings.

It is also abominable for a woman to accept her own child’s bride price if none went to her home of origin. Tales abound, narrates Gitau and Njeri, of catastrophes hitting such offenders. One died before she could witness her daughter’s marriage ceremony. Another’s penalty came in the form of a piece of goat meat that got stuck in the throat as she ate. Still, another was diagnosed with cancer. The offender’s children may also end up becoming sociopaths. As is said, punishment from the gods for breaches is chilling, hence the hurry for self-cleansing. Listen to Wanjiru’s terse warning: "Handled casually, these issues can crush your family!"

Shouldering the man’s burden

Interestingly, even in marriages where the husband is still alive and able, some women are taking on the obligation that hitherto was a man’s duty. Many working women are fretfully securing loans in a desperate bid to ensure that their bride wealth is paid. "At first, my husband seemed reluctant to pay," says Mrs Kote, who seeks anonymity. "Later, he was so broke, but pressure was mounting on me to pay my debts. All my younger sisters had their bride price paid."

Whenever Kote visited her home, she was treated with contempt. "That is why I borrowed a loan of Sh200,000 from my Sacco" — an amount that was given to her parents as pride price. Of course, Kote never made her story public. Today, she says, many women in their late 30s and early 40s are already doing this, although they keep it a secret.

Of course not all men are comfortable with the idea of having their woman help them out. "A serious man should pay the wealth," cautions Mwangi. "Otherwise, who will be in charge in that house?"

Pastor Macharia Maimba of the Deliverance Church, Woodley, admires these women. "It is a noble gesture," he observes. "That shows respect to parents. It is respect to the community too."

Jedidah Wangari, a parent who received dowry from her daughter, was elated. Says she: "I was so happy. I was worried of my daughter’s future, but now I am relieved." Wangari says society needs to embrace the re-emerging trend. "It is about clearing oneself."

http://www.eastandard.net/mag/mag.php?id=1143975250&catid=55

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nedageitheka mono, na ndakohoera olathimwo mono,
nyina wa bakhita.

its sad to see that redundant/obsolete culture like those of "kwegora" and female circumcission are still been forced on women through proxy. my suggestion to this problem is that the relevant ministry should embark on a campain to educate our people about the irrelavance of such cultural practise.

kibaki visionary government with the introduction of the rejected constitution would have dealt a deadly blow to this outdated vile cultural practises.

all women should blame ODM's parties for the continuation of this folly. remember the rejected constitution apart from dealing with these menace indirectly it would have greatly empowered women if not made them equal to men. lakini wasaliti wa ODM "katsiad"(hindered) this wonderful development for our women and our country in general. all women should vote ODM out as a revenge. shambaza this habari to all voting women you know. the women should not let wasaliti odm trick them twice.

now about God, I STILL don't see anything wrong yet, with our cultural way of worshipping him. that why i still insist that we should revert to worshipping him in our traditional way. but if there are issues you not happy about our traditional way of worship let me know.

remember the saying that, if it not broken don't mend it?

i believe that we got colonized because we rejected our cultural God.

this is the reason our anchestors warned us that muwacha mila ni mtumwa, or he who forsake his culture for another man culture becames that man slave.

remember we africans rejected our culture for a white man and arabs culture, that why we became slaves of these two foreign people who still owns our best land.

we should go back to our religions atleast.

as for culture its ok since its dynamic from day one.

remember rome was not build on one day.

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Beste
I have not refreshed my memory on what the Wako draft had to say about cultural practices. I will not therefore blame ODM and other Kenyan's whop rejected the constitution. I however would not advocate for a total abadonment of our cultural practices since they gives us a locus for understanding ourselves.

The issue of women 'buying' themselves is out of a desire to shield their children from the hegemonic influnce of cultural requirements. If a woman's daughter is geting married, the mother has no right to accept dowry if hers has not been received. In a way, the fulfilment of this cultural requirement, much as I may disagree with it actually liberates the woman and allows her to salvage her 'honor'.. She avoid the stigma associated with not having been 'bought' and hence makes peace with her brothers who might carry a grudge against her for denying them a chance to gain a few cows and sheep. This way, she also secures the future of her children as tradition demand. In addition, she breaks the bonds of masculine domination since she can run her life without necessarily relying on a man to do it. I applaud our culture for providing that window to women who did not get married for one reason or another, but who nevertheless did not want to be ostracised by the society.

As for religion, I agree with you that there is nothing wrong with worshiping the God of Kirinyaga. As long as the worship ritual are in line with conventional thinking. In western societies for instance, imagesd of slaughtering animals are considered violent. With our rush to copy the west, I am sure similar concerns will be raised very soon in our cultures. How then aer we going to talk about worship and sacrifices, whne doing so will be criticised on that account.

Of course you might argue that only a select group of elder will be mandated to conduct such ceremonies. Again this will promote the unfair social discrimination where only a select group of peopel can conduct religious ceremonies. This to me is one of the appeals of Christianity. That you can conduct symbolic sacrifice on your own. If our religions are reformed to bring them in line with modern realities, I have no problem with it.

whatever the westerners think should not be our problems infact the westerners unlike africans are the greatest wanton killers of animals, look at their game hunting sport amongst others or just visit their butcheries or supermarkets which are full of animal carcases.

also look at the mass killing of sheeps by muslims during hajir pilgrimage while we african occasinally kill just one animal for sacrifice.

Sajini, if posible list what is exactly wrong with kikuyu's and other africans reverting to worshipping their anchestral God instead of the foreign one they are currently worshipping?

Beste
I will answer your question later
have a good day.

Thanks Sajini, take all your time since this discussion in extremely important.

Beste,Wa Kirinyaga akurathime.like I said,we still worship Ngai Wa Kirinyaga.As for slavery,I think it was Ngai making a sacrifice for the greater good.Because of slavery,African folks are all over the world.We all know that if we all were in one continent,we would be history.They would have hiroshimad us out of this planet.They can not do that now cause whether they like it or not,we are everywhere.

WE AFRICANS OWN THE WORLD THAT WHY WE ARE FROM ALL OVER IT UNLIKE OTHER RACES. THERE IS NO WHERE IN THE DIASPORA YOU WILL NOT FIND BLACK PEOPLE AS THE REAL INDEGENOUS TRIBE ASIA, AMERICA, EUROPE YOU NAME IT.

ABOUT SLAVERY WE ARE THE CHOOSEN GODS FOVOURITES WHO BECAUSE OF OUR DISOBEDIENCE HE HAD TO PUNISH US FOR FIVE HUNDRED YEARS. WE WERE TO SERVE OUR SLAVES THE WHITE MAN FOR FIVE HUNDRED YEARS. THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT ITS ALL OVER NOW AND WE HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN. SO THE SLAVE MASTER ROLE WILL REVERT VERY SOON IF ITS HAS NOT DONE SO ALREADY.

FOR SOME SIMILAR INFO GO TO EDOFOLKS.COM

Nyina wa Bikhita, Mwathani akolathime mono, i hope you read/will read that website. if you don't believe what i said watch the movie "PRINCES OF EGYPT", its a cartoon,notice how the jews isrealite bow down when they meet an egyptian even when the egyptian request them not to.

all africans are the encient egyptians. that is a fact.

i have observed that kikuyus are brown like the upper egyptians and have alot of other similarities. luos are black like lower egyptians or nubians empire and also have alot of similarities. remember that all egyptian empires united? any way i hope to talk more about this in the future.

Beste,Ngai akurathime muno and I now can say,At last.Where have you been hiding?I sooooo believe just like you do that the mzungu twisted bibles words to suit him best.I agree with that folks site.It reminds me of this other site I visit.Here is one of the many messages there.

Africans Wrote the Bible

The Africans Who Wrote The Bible: Ancient Secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told

Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text but was still challenged with his findings which were labeled "untrue" by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world. I thought that the following excerpts were extremely interesting. A website visitor suggested that I read the Darkwah's book. Thanks to the website reader who suggested that I limit my research to Sub-Saharan Africa. You’ve started a greater quest to delve deeper into Europe's concealment of our history and to shed more light on how the global world exists in its current state.

The word Israel itself is an Akan word (Ghana). Darkwah points to the story of Jacob in Genesis 32:24-29, where the angel renames Jacob calling him Asrae or the European version, Israel. Asrae, Darkwah declares, is not the name of a nation, but instead means "the first one who visited."

According to Darkwah, if you as a Christian question the Bible, you were led by your pastor to believe that you were blaspheming God. Here there is a faith versus reasoning quarrel. Now he has been able to reason into faith. Originally, he just had faith. But, as he learned more, he began to reason himself into faith.

Ethiopia and Egypt are mentioned more than any other countries in the Bible. Ethiopia is known in the Bible as Cush. Egypt is known as Mizraim. Mizraim and Cush are two sons of Ham. Mizraim is translated--Egypt and Cush Ethiopia. Many readers of this website have contacted me to argue that Egypt is a land of White people. They write...I know your view is common among African American studies-types, but it doesn't seem to be borne out by historical record. The pharaohs and their priests were certainly not Black. Here goes faith vs. reasoning again. The Romans didn't get to Egypt until 300 BC. We are talking 6000 years before that. There weren't any white people present before the Rome invasion. The original Christianity of Egypt was established by the apostle Mark in AD 42 in Ethiopia (Coptic Church--Coptic Orthodox Christianity). We have been told Christianity came from Rome. Does everything come from Europe? That is what we have led to believe.

LAND OF THE BLACKS--LAND OF THE BIBLE: Ancient Egypt was known indigenously as Kemet (Land of the Blacks). Ancient Egyptians have pinpointed their own ancestral origins to Mount Rwenzori Range in the east African cradle, otherwise known as "Mountains of the Moon." Some accounts state Egyptian civilization came out of Ethiopia, which as a term was used to designate the land south of Egypt (the Upper Nile Valley), or alternatively used to refer to the entire African continent. Chronologically, Egypt’s southern neighbor Nubia, which had its own distinct civilization, was the Nile Valley predecessor.

Jews believe they are God’s Chosen People because of a theological idea the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (known in Biblical times as Israelites, later known as Jews) are the chosen people. It comes from the book of Genesis in which God chooses Abraham and his descendants for a unique covenant. The covenant involved certain obligations on the part of the people and promised certain things on the part of God. European Jews believe this covenant is still in effect today—Jews are still a "chosen people." It may also answer the question why the Jews have been classified White, even with their kinky-bushy hair, swarthy skin, and broadened noses.
The main points of his book are:

Americans and Europeans assume that the Bible is about them, but the Bible is about my ancient ancestors and me…..Alex Darkwah

Modern-day Jews see the Bible as a record of their history because the King James Bible is centered on the history of Israel.

The Jewish people of Europe and America still carry African Tribal names. They carry the names of their ancestors who were Africans.

Statistically, the Lemba people from Southeast Africa are more Jewish than European Jews. In a particular Lemba Clan known as the Buba Clan, 53 percent of the males carry the unique DNA signature of Jewish priests. Males form the Lemba Tribe carry a higher incidence of the Jewish priestly DNA signature than the European and American Jewish population.

When the police have the fingerprints of a wanted man, they know the man whose prints match. The same thing can be said here.

The early Roman Catholic Church portrayed Jesus and his mother in the original Black images of the Jewish people at that time--The Black Madonna. What African tribe were they from?

The time period of the early Catholic Church is closer to the Jews leaving Africa and going to Europe than the Renaissance Painters who painted Jesus White.

What Europe did not count on was that Africans would still know their past.

Darkwah states that ancient Egypt was geographically in Africa and that so called European experts do not know the Ancient Egyptian story because they are not familiar with African tribal names. They do not have the linguistic and cultural backgrounds to identify Egyptian names and have simply transposed the African names of people and places in Ancient Egyptian history into European languages to make it possible for them to claim expertise. Darkwah traces the ancient past of African tribes from the Middle East through Ancient Egypt to inner Africa. He reveals the African tribe that historians gave the fictitious names the Sumerians, Akkadians, and the African Tribes that were the Ancient Egyptians.

Africans are the indigenous Native Hebrews (Jews). The greatest secret of Africa has never been told, and Christian Europe has been seeking to conceal for the past two thousand years is the African origin of the concepts, doctrines, sacramental practices of religion, and the documents that became the foundations of Christianity in Europe. Did you know that the names of Abraham, Isaac, Esau, and Jacob were all derived from African tribal words and names? Did you know that the earliest “Hebrew” name for God, Adonai, was derived from an African tribal word? Did you know that other name of God, Yahweh, was derived from an African tribal God? ... Did you know that the names of the authors of the Old Testament are not “Hebrew” or “Jewish” names, but transposed African tribal names? Christian Europe has never known these because it has never known the African linguistic and cultural side of the biblical story.

The indigenous African tribal name of the most popular Ancient Egyptian king the west was Tutu Ankoma—not Tutankhamun. Not only do we know the indigenous African tribal name of this Ancient Egyptian king, but we also know where the modern dynasty of his ancient dynasty is today. We know in Africa that the Ancient Egyptian king who built the middle pyramid in Giza was called Akufu and not Khufu as the experts have told us. We also know that his two sons completed the procession of pyramids and placed a lion in the front of the procession. These sons were Dade Afre and not Djedefra as the experts transposed this name; and his brother was Ochere Afre and not Chephren as the experts have told us. The modern dynasty of these ancient kings is the Akuapem Dynasty that can be found today in the Eastern Region of Ghana. Conservatives, liberals, and all in between can go to check these people out and verify the royal names among these people.

The book is about the Africans who wrote the Bible as well as Ancient Egypt. It is the untold story of the African tribes that were the Ancient Egyptians. It is the untold story of the people from these African tribes that left Ancient Egypt for it to become the biblical Exodus. It is about the untold story of these people that later went to Europe to become the Jews and Hebrews. It is about untold story of the Africans who actually wrote the documents of the Bible before Afrim (Jewish) scholars translated these documents for the Greeks in Ancient Egypt and claimed that their people in Israel wrote those documents.



We in Africa even know the indigenous African tribal name of the people of the Exodus before they went to Europe to become the Jews and Hebrews. A review of a DNA study of Jewish people African tribes discovered one of the African tribes from which some of the people of the Exodus originated. Check it out in the New York Times of May 9, 1999. What does this prove? It proves the Ancient Egyptian and biblical stories were all Black people’s stories.



The Ancient Egyptians were Black people and their modern descendants are alive and well in Africa. Real evidence of the modern descendants of the Ancient Egyptians in the tribes of Africa and the language and culture these people left behind in Ancient Egypt is the most powerful evidence there is about the Black racial origin of the Ancient Egyptians.



In the 1960's and 1970's there were Jewish scholars who were secretly traveling around Africa researching African Tribes to find out from which tribe they belonged. They studied the Akan Religion of the Asante people to find out the similarities between Judaism and Christianity. The word Israel was derived from an African Tribal meaning. Most "Jewish" people still carry their African Tribal names of origin.

POLITICAL PALACE: Original Hebrews Were Black

(Submitted by: R. Mosley)

Author: CARTIERX
To Judah, B Real & the rest of my already racially enlightened Brothers & Sisters in this forum.....I just want to warn you that most so-called White Jews with genuine Hebrew bloodlines are not ready to accept neither the fact that their Hebrew origins/bloodlines are Black.... nor the fact that all of Mankind descended from the so-called Negroid Race.

I once had a Jewish online "friend" that was just the sweetest thing this side of Heaven until I hit him with the news that his curly hair & dusky features were genetic indicators of his Negroid decent. He freaked out on me in such an ugly fashion that it reminded me of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde.

You see the stigma attached to being Black is so unpalatable for some folks that it causes them to spazz. But, according to Jim Crow, Willy Lynch, the government, the Catholic Church, European standards, etc.....despite appearances to the contrary caused by recessive genes...if there is one drop of Black blood in your lineage you are considered Black.

Elaborate caste systems were created by "society" for mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons, (Jews), etc. Which explains why so many people of color are still stuck..."color struck" in their slave mentalities today. Light vs. darker complexions meant certain privileges.

But Negroid Jewish ancestry has been a well-known, documented, & accepted fact among educated Caucasians for centuries. Famed scholars, historians, philosophers, scientists, archaeologists, have been known to refer to Jews as sand niggers, mongrels, & other semi Negroid terms.

Such mentality helped to justify their indentured enslavement/employment and use as tax collectors, accountants, bankers, money lenders, overseers, financial watch dogs, slum landlords, foremen, etc to keep track of money for the conquering elite... which included the Romans, then much later & now... the British.

Which is why Austrian born Hitler had little problem victimizing them as he masterminded the German Revolution known as the Holocaust. The German people were sick of working for slave wages in their own highly industrialized nation under the leadership of Jewish watchdogs while their resources were being commandeered & pocketed by the British. Since they couldn't reach the Brits, (as usual) they attacked the emissaries (overseers).

Over the centuries, due to the race mixing among the Pharisees & Sadducees with the conquering Romans & Asiatic peoples the bloodlines & semi-Negroid (mongrel/chop suey) appearances of the Hebrews & Arabs evolved to become what we see today.

By polite social standards, Yeshua was considered a Black bastard…a militant rebel... of lowly birth that did not meet the social nor political criteria required to be The Messiah.

I guess that when you have been raised to feel smugly & condescendingly superior to someone not even considered HUE-MAN then find yourself in the same boat it is rather mind blowing. When folks prefer to live in a state of denial, their minds are reprobated & they will not be moved. They will twist your words, intentionally take things out of context, and vilify you in an effort to hold onto their delusions of superiority rather than embrace the Black Man as "brother"...or equal. Cain will continue to destroy Abel until God's day of reckoning.

When asked by Whites what difference does it make whether Jesus was black or White...I simply smile & reply... If it doesn't make any difference, why did you make Him white? Can YOU handle the Truth?

http://stewartsynopsis.com/africans_wrote_the_bible.htm

"Wabhakita", Leu NGUISIRIA ANDU alea majuwe webthaiti eno, nimakumenya ghetomi kilea njugagha, Kalonzo MUSIOKA WA ODM0-kenya NDAGASHAGHORUO TONDO NIMOKOMU tondho wa kuhenio ni mothongo.

now imagine, Kalonzo want to be kenya prezzo, but he don't know what Nyina wa BAkhita just told us, which is the real truth. he need to get his mind-right first cause sisi hatutaki kutawaloa na fala/punju/(punk).

odinga pia need schooling on this issue, otherwise he would know who DEMONISED and later criminalised MUNGIKI using sellouts, blackmail,lies unconcious and concious dupes and propaganda?

he is soo ****** and a danger for vowing to wipe out these hijacked concious awakening. kudo's to kibaki government for refusing to blackmail mugiki without enough evidence.

has it occured to anybody here that kikuyu people traditional way of worship is exactly like in the old testament. the kikuyu people religion has no difference with the Hebrews jew religion in the old testament.

yaani, am saying, all kikuyu religion is exactly like the old testament. mungiki, ngai thai thaiya, wakorino, facing mount kenya, late gakonya's one, etc they all are like Old testament.

now do people here, know that the new testament has been succesfully disputed by scholars BUT NOT THE OLD TESTAMENT?

"wakikuyu", mjiringe sana because of your traditional religion. it's off-hook.

the kalenjin religion is similar to the masaai, they are also very wonderful religions.

am still trying to study the luo and luhya's traditional religion. though i know they are also God WORSHIPERS, THEIR RELIGION MIGHT INVOLVE VODOO. WHICH IS ALSO A FORM OF WORSHIP.

DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW THAT KIKUYUS ALSO USED TO USE OROGHI(BLACKMAGIC/WICTHCRAFT) BUT LATER IN THEIR HISTORY DISCARDED IT? THE KIKUYUS USED TO BURN WITCHES BY WRAPPING THEM WITH MAGHOTO(BANANA TREE BARKS), THEN SET THEM ON FIRE AND THEN THROW THEM DOWN A CLIFF.

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leo sita ogopa, nitauliza that question. the question is:

ARE LUYHA decendents of kikuyus and luo's? i think so, why? they are bantus also, they circumcise, their skin colour, of late i have discovered alot of kikuyus corupted names among the luhya's,i have came across kikuyu named area's in luo land, and a similar word so far, some luhya's have luos name and vice versa. the fact that the two tribes(luos and luhya's) are neighbours make it obvious that its a luhya not a kikuyu who's bantu blood is mixed with a river lake nilote african. remember all african tribes have always inter married expecially the neighbouring tribe?

i hope somebody out there help me with this research.

i don't think they taught us specific tribes migration routes.

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Originally posted by Papa Daad:
Wa Bakhita:

uri waigua uhoro wa Delta 32?

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Originally posted by Nyina Wa Bakhita:
Beste,Wa Kirinyaga akurathime.like I said,we still worship Ngai Wa Kirinyaga.As for slavery,I think it was Ngai making a sacrifice for the greater good.Because of slavery,African folks are all over the world.We all know that if we all were in one continent,we would be history.They would have hiroshimad us out of this planet.They can not do that now cause whether they like it or not,we are everywhere.

Papa Daad,ninjiguite uhoro wa Delta 32 noona aria maragia uhoro wayo maragia noti maikariire iria ingi.

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Originally posted by Beste:
leo sita ogopa, nitauliza that question. the question is:

ARE LUYHA decendents of kikuyus and luo's? i think so, why? they are bantus also, they circumcise, their skin colour, of late i have discovered alot of kikuyus corupted names among the luhya's,i have came across kikuyu named area's in luo land, and a similar word so far, some luhya's have luos name and vice versa. the fact that the two tribes(luos and luhya's) are neighbours make it obvious that its a luhya not a kikuyu who's bantu blood is mixed with a river lake nilote african. remember all african tribes have always inter married expecially the neighbouring tribe?

i hope somebody out there help me with this research.

i don't think they taught us specific tribes migration routes.

Beste,Ati atia?

Papa Daad,which delta 32 were you talking about?
Iria nguaragia uhoro wayo niino ya andu aria mari immunity ya AIDS na athungu aya matimenyaga uria mangihuthira that info to help with treatment or prevention.

The black death and ccr5-delta 32
Plagues are not all bad, and the Black Death (bubonic plague) that swept into Europe from Asia in 1346 was no exception.

It is now common knowledge that bacteria, insects, plants, and even humans can build up resistances to poisons, diseases, and antibiotics.

Mutations are always occurring; some good, some neutral, some bad. It has been found that a human mutation designated CCR5-delta 32 confers immunity to AIDS if inherited from both parents. People carrying the CCR5-delta 32 mutation lack the receptors to which the AIDS virus must attach itself if it is to infect the person.

What has all this to do with the Black Death?

"Although the origin of the mutation is obscure, it appears to have suddenly become relatively common among white Europeans about 700 years ago. That increase suggests that something must have occurred about that time to greatly favor the survival of people carrying the mutation."
What biological catastrophe decimated Europe 700 years ago? The Black Death. One-quarter to one-third of the Europeans succumbed between 1347 and 1350. The Black Death strongly modified the European gene pool, increasing the frequency of CCR5-delta 32. This mutation may not have had any direct effect on the plague itself. It may just be a quirk of fate that the survivors of the Black Death had a higher frequency of the CCR5-delta 32 mutation, and it is doubly quirky that the mutation confers a resistance to AIDS, which is a recent human affliction.

About 10% of whites of European origin now carry the CCR5-delta 32 mutation. The incidence is only 2% in central Asia. The mutation is completely absent among East Asians, Africans, and American Indians.

(Brown, David; "AIDS Resistance Might Be a Legacy of Plague Survival," Dallas Morning News, May 18, 1998. Cr. D. Phelps