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Originally posted by dudu mbaya "bedbug":
In short, this david guy was a shrewd bugger. Yaani badala aende vita anabaki akichungulia mamanze za watu?

But again, why was this woman bathing out there in the open? and strategically place when he was sure to catch the attention of the King?

.and how come, all these men of God or those who used to speak one on one with God had at least one adulterous relationship in their life? I mean look at Abraham, solomon, David etc

Dudu, look at this whole scenario in another way:-
The lineage of Jesus Christ is traced back to Bathsheba through Solomon, David's son with her

After David slept with Bathsheba she conceived and since this child was from an adulterous relationship, God killed that child.

He slept with her again (already he had married her now and Uria was dead) and she conceived again and gave birth to Solomon. It is from Solomon that we have the lineage of Jesus Christ.

Now ask yourself:-
Why didnt God pick one of the other many legal wives of David to have Jesus through them?

Was it a coincidence that Bathsheba was bathing outside at a time when David was home after failing to take his men to war?

Did God make David sin with Bathsheba so from this act, Uria is made to die in the war and David gets to marry his wife? From this marriage Solomon was born and from Solomon..... Jesus?

So, was David's lustful desire from God? and thus devine so God could fulfil his promise of a Messiah / Saviour?

Mehia mothe ti ngoma.....

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Did God make David sin with Bathsheba so from this act, Uria is made to die in the war and David gets to marry his wife? From this marriage Solomon was born and from Solomon..... Jesus?

So, was David's lustful desire from God? and thus devine so God could fulfil his promise of a Messiah / Saviour?

Ruki

Remember God had the power to arrange for David to Marry Bethseba without hurting Uriah and the child.
Does God use sin(fornication, murder) to achive his goals if so why did David's action displease God.
Is God that cruel, really?

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Originally posted by Muhuthia:

Does God use sin(fornication, murder) to achive his goals if so why did David's action displease God.
Is God that cruel, really?

Muhuthia! God does not use sin to achieve his goals.Rem wen David was Annoited to become a king he was only a poor shepherd.God had plans for Him n he wud not have married under the kingship..so i ges she was the rib,
God is not cruel..remember nathan was sent to David wth a message tht he has been forgiven by God and in turn His son wud die so that God can overcome the contempt of his enemies...the son was a cursed one from the society n the enemy was rejoicing over davids act which was not pleasing the eyes of God, since thru the mockery many people wud have undermined the rulership of David.God is a jelousy God, he cunt have stood the enemies anymore. Same way he does to us wen we sin, but after we repent God is pleased wth our fruits same way he was pleased wen David repented and bore a son called solomon.God takes away our sins so the enemy can feel down, same way he took davids son.

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Same way he does to us wen we sin, but after we repent God is pleased wth our fruits same way he was pleased wen David repented and bore a son called solomon.God takes away our sins so the enemy can feel down, same way he took davids son.

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Same way he does to us wen we sin, but after we repent God is pleased wth our fruits same way he was pleased wen David repented and bore a son called solomon.God takes away our sins so the enemy can feel down, same way he took davids son.

See David is being punished (for murder and fornication)by killing an innocent child (a third party). How is that?

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Originally posted by RUKI:
Mehia mothe ti ngoma.....

Ruki,

I have my reservations on this statement.But anyway, i find it strange that these things were happening. Same thing with Lot who slept with his daughters. But again, God work in mysterious ways, His wonder to perform.

See David is being punished (for murder and fornication)by killing an innocent child (a third party). How is that?[/QUOTE].

God did not punish David, He removed the sin or the scar from david.

Of David. A maskil.1 Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.







6Therefore let everyone who is godly pray to you while you may be found; surely when the mighty waters rise, they will not reach him.

7 You are my hiding-place; you will protect me from trouble and surround me with songs of deliverance.





8I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you.

9 Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come toyou.

10 Many are the woes of the wicked, but the LORD's unfailing love surrounds the man who trusts in him.



11Rejoice in the LORD and be glad, you righteous; sing, all you who are upright in heart!




Psalm 12For the director of music. According to sheminith. A psalm of David.1 Help, LORD, for the godly are no more; the faithful have vanished from among men.
2 Everyone lies to his neighbour; their flattering lips speak with deception.



3May the LORD cut off all flattering lips and every boastful tongue

4 that says, We will triumph with our tongues; we own our lips— who is our master?



5Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise, says the LORD. I will protect them from those who malign them. 3When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long.

6 And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times.



7O LORD, you will keep us safe and protect us from such people for ever.

8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honoured among men.

David's conscience

Psalm 32

Of David. A maskil.1 Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
2 Blessed is the man whose sin the LORD does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.



3 When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long.

4 For day and night your hand was heavy upon me; my strength was sapped as in the heat of summer.

5 Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, I will confess my transgressions to the LORD— and you forgave the guilt of my sin.



6 Therefore let everyone who is godly pray to you while you may be found; surely when the mighty waters rise, they will not reach him.

7 You are my hiding-place; you will protect me from trouble and surround me with songs of deliverance.



8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will counsel you and watch over you.

9 Do not be like the horse or the mule, which have no understanding but must be controlled by bit and bridle or they will not come toyou.

10 Many are the woes of the wicked, but the LORD's unfailing love surrounds the man who trusts in him.


11 Rejoice in the LORD and be glad, you righteous; sing, all you who are upright in heart!



Psalm 12For the director of music. According to sheminith. A psalm of David.1 Help, LORD, for the godly are no more; the faithful have vanished from among men.
2 Everyone lies to his neighbour; their flattering lips speak with deception.



3May the LORD cut off all flattering lips and every boastful tongue

4 that says, We will triumph with our tongues; we own our lips— who is our master?



5Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise, says the LORD. I will protect them from those who malign them. 3When I kept silent, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long.

6 And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times.



7O LORD, you will keep us safe and protect us from such people for ever.

8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honoured among men.[/QUOTE]

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See David is being punished (for murder and fornication)by killing an innocent child (a third party). How is that?

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God did not punish David, He removed the sin or the scar from david.[/quote]

Koi,
I thought David's punishment for fornication was 'an eye for an eye' type. His rebellious son Absalom went to his harem and slep with his concubines.

2 Samuel 13
Amnon and Tamar
1 In the course of time, Amnon son of David fell in love with Tamar, the beautiful sister of Absalom son of David.
2 Amnon became frustrated to the point of illness on account of his sister Tamar, for she was a virgin, and it seemed impossible for him to do anything to her.

3 Now Amnon had a friend named Jonadab son of Shimeah, David's brother. Jonadab was a very shrewd man. 4 He asked Amnon, "Why do you, the king's son, look so haggard morning after morning? Won't you tell me?"
Amnon said to him, "I'm in love with Tamar, my brother Absalom's sister."

5 "Go to bed and pretend to be ill," Jonadab said. "When your father comes to see you, say to him, 'I would like my sister Tamar to come and give me something to eat. Let her prepare the food in my sight so I may watch her and then eat it from her hand.' "

6 So Amnon lay down and pretended to be ill. When the king came to see him, Amnon said to him, "I would like my sister Tamar to come and make some special bread in my sight, so I may eat from her hand."

7 David sent word to Tamar at the palace: "Go to the house of your brother Amnon and prepare some food for him." 8 So Tamar went to the house of her brother Amnon, who was lying down. She took some dough, kneaded it, made the bread in his sight and baked it. 9 Then she took the pan and served him the bread, but he refused to eat.
"Send everyone out of here," Amnon said. So everyone left him. 10 Then Amnon said to Tamar, "Bring the food here into my bedroom so I may eat from your hand." And Tamar took the bread she had prepared and brought it to her brother Amnon in his bedroom. 11 But when she took it to him to eat, he grabbed her and said, "Come to bed with me, my sister."

12 "Don't, my brother!" she said to him. "Don't force me. Such a thing should not be done in Israel! Don't do this wicked thing. 13 What about me? Where could I get rid of my disgrace? And what about you? You would be like one of the wicked fools in Israel. Please speak to the king; he will not keep me from being married to you." 14 But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her.

15 Then Amnon hated her with intense hatred. In fact, he hated her more than he had loved her. Amnon said to her, "Get up and get out!"

16 "No!" she said to him. "Sending me away would be a greater wrong than what you have already done to me."
But he refused to listen to her. 17 He called his personal servant and said, "Get this woman out of here and bolt the door after her." 18 So his servant put her out and bolted the door after her. She was wearing a richly ornamented robe, for this was the kind of garment the virgin daughters of the king wore. 19 Tamar put ashes on her head and tore the ornamented robe she was wearing. She put her hand on her head and went away, weeping aloud as she went.

20 Her brother Absalom said to her, "Has that Amnon, your brother, been with you? Be quiet now, my sister; he is your brother. Don't take this thing to heart." And Tamar lived in her brother Absalom's house, a desolate woman.

21 When King David heard all this, he was furious. 22 Absalom never said a word to Amnon, either good or bad; he hated Amnon because he had disgraced his sister Tamar.

Absalom Kills Amnon
23 Two years later, when Absalom's sheepshearers were at Baal Hazor near the border of Ephraim, he invited all the king's sons to come there. 24 Absalom went to the king and said, "Your servant has had shearers come. Will the king and his officials please join me?"
25 "No, my son," the king replied. "All of us should not go; we would only be a burden to you." Although Absalom urged him, he still refused to go, but gave him his blessing.

26 Then Absalom said, "If not, please let my brother Amnon come with us."
The king asked him, "Why should he go with you?" 27 But Absalom urged him, so he sent with him Amnon and the rest of the king's sons.

28 Absalom ordered his men, "Listen! When Amnon is in high spirits from drinking wine and I say to you, 'Strike Amnon down,' then kill him. Don't be afraid. Have not I given you this order? Be strong and brave." 29 So Absalom's men did to Amnon what Absalom had ordered. Then all the king's sons got up, mounted their mules and fled.

30 While they were on their way, the report came to David: "Absalom has struck down all the king's sons; not one of them is left." 31 The king stood up, tore his clothes and lay down on the ground; and all his servants stood by with their clothes torn.

32 But Jonadab son of Shimeah, David's brother, said, "My lord should not think that they killed all the princes; only Amnon is dead. This has been Absalom's expressed intention ever since the day Amnon raped his sister Tamar. 33 My lord the king should not be concerned about the report that all the king's sons are dead. Only Amnon is dead."

34 Meanwhile, Absalom had fled.
Now the man standing watch looked up and saw many people on the road west of him, coming down the side of the hill. The watchman went and told the king, "I see men in the direction of Horonaim, on the side of the hill."

35 Jonadab said to the king, "See, the king's sons are here; it has happened just as your servant said."

36 As he finished speaking, the king's sons came in, wailing loudly. The king, too, and all his servants wept very bitterly.

37 Absalom fled and went to Talmai son of Ammihud, the king of Geshur. But King David mourned for his son every day.

38 After Absalom fled and went to Geshur, he stayed there three years. 39 And the spirit of the king longed to go to Absalom, for he was consoled concerning Amnon's death.

Uriah = Kamangu

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Originally posted by Muhuthia:
Uriah = Kamangu

Woiiyee.. Muhuthia so, David = Madjeke?

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Originally posted by RUKI:

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Originally posted by Muhuthia:
Uriah = Kamangu

Woiiyee.. Muhuthia so, David = Madjeke?

You said it i did not!

Now Kamangu has been done in,in a cowardly way only half of the story of Uriah.

David what have you done?

Poor Kamangu!

"may the words of our mouths and the meditations of our minds be acceptable in thy sight Amen...." Boney M (rivers of Babylon)

Guys this is very interesting, the things of God, who can understand? his way is far from man's way and his thoughts far from man's though just like the east is from the west.

The bible says that "I have mercy on he who I will have mercy..." God is supreme, his supremacy gives him the choices of action which cannot be questioned by mankind.,

its amazing, he also says.."its not for he who runneth..but for he that the lord showeth mercy.." his mercies are great, from everlasting to everlasting, you will be shocked to see peole that we had condemned as sinners in heave....only because of his mercy.

One thing I have realised, one thing I will seek after..."HIS MERCY" because its hard to labour for holiness. Jesus himself has given us his righteousness, which is not by hard work, but of his grace.

I have learnt to accept that God has his hand on some individuals, favours them, increases them and exalts them regardless of their weaknesses, he is ever with them. Though his anger may be on them, its just but a moment, but his mercy will endure forever in their live. Psalm 30 verse 5.

I want to be like David, to enjoy God's Mercy and Love regardless of my shorcomings.

God HELP ME!!!

God bless you all