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Daniel arap Moi referred to as the PROFESSOR of politics.
And his teaching was CORRUPTION.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5008198.stm
 
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Nyumba

I Quote "You had 24 years to do what you wanted, what did you do?" end of quote.

He wants to help kanu back to power.
The old ways will be back.

Scratch my back,I scratch yours.
Matiri thoni.

The most ironical thing is that kenyans forget very soon.

Thayu nyumba
 
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"Ithe wa Nyambura na Wambui"
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Papa Daad,
Please enlighten us. I am in the dark on this.


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Papa daad,
What about Makini.Inform us.
About the School having received some cash well i say thats the way of Kenya Governments.
When Uhuru was appointed Minister For local GOverntment Milk Vendors suffered greatly.
Now Karume is on the government side and he managed to sell a tract of land to the government(at an inflated price of course) apparently to be given to squaters.
....dont you just wish you were in the government side in Kenya?





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moi is the devils son


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By the way, Moi was not evil, he was just operating from the wrong premises. You can call him incompetent, but not evil.


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Moi's 'comeback' rattles Kenyans
By Josphat Makori
BBC News, Nairobi



Ex-President Moi cannot bear to be silent any longer
When he ruled Kenya for 24 years, Daniel arap Moi came to be referred to as the professor of politics.

But after his retirement in 2002 and the humiliating defeat suffered by his party, Kanu, the former president's critics believed his political death knell had been sounded.

Yet three-and-a-half years later Mr Moi has returned.

It is the news that Kanu, the party he helped found 56 years ago, was on the verge of being assimilated by a loose coalition of opposition political parties known as the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) that seems to have rattled the former president out of his retirement.

Let him leave politics now to the younger people

Water Minister Mutua Katuku
In an unprecedented fashion since his retirement three years ago, Mr Moi was categorical about his stand on the much touted merger between Kanu with the other ODM parties.

"Kanu is already a national party. It does not need to look for other parties," the former president insisted.

This position has caused sharp divisions within the ODM - now the official opposition party - with party chairman Uhuru Kenyatta supporting the former president and another section, led by the party's secretary general, strongly opposed.

Politicians allied to the ODM are however accusing the former president of trying to scuttle the movement that they believe is poised to win the next general elections.

Enough is enough?

One of the first people to hit back at the former president was Raila Odinga, one of the main movers of ODM, who previously played a key role in engineering Kanu's first ever defeat in the historic 2002 general election.


Kanu leader Uhuru Kenyatta has apologised for his party's wrong doings in power
"There are people who have left the field - let them stay out there and leave others to handle the country's political affairs," Raila Odinga said in a direct challenge to Mr Moi.

"You had 24 years to do what you wanted, what did you do?"

The government, too, is critical.

Last week Mr Moi openly endorsed a number of candidates who are contesting four parliamentary seats that fell vacant after MPs died in a plane crash last month.

This prompted Water Minister Mutua Katuku to declare Mr Moi should rest: "We respect him as our former president but let him leave politics now to the younger people," the minister said.


Influence

But Mr Moi insists he retired only as president and not from politics.

Therefore, he says, he will continue to guide the party that he served as chairman for more than 20 years, and that he will not get into the political altercations with his critics.

"I'm a nationalist and I'll not be pushed into a corner where I hate one group of people or community. Having been president of this country I want to see a united Kenya," he said.

Some political analysts now say that the reactions of many politicians to Mr Moi's apparent return to the political scene is clear evidence that the retired president retains immense political influence in the country.

Opponents fear that come the next general elections, next he may turn the tables on them by making sure that only his preferred candidate wins.

Raila Odinga says, however, he does not fear the former president but has a warning for him: "Moi has a right to enter into the political fray. But then he should know that we shall not treat him with the respect and restraint that we accorded a retired statesman.

"If he joins the field then we'll treat him like any other player," Mr Odinga promised.

That declaration, coupled with the former president's resolve to remain politically active, the stage is set for what may turn out to be a titanic battle akin to the one fought in 2002.

Moi lost that battle - but the question that now lingers is whether the self-styled professor of politics will lose this time around.


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Moi is a devil with a capital D. Molo clashes, Ouko, detention without trial etc are acts for a devil who like saddam should be hanged


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Then Kibaki must be his brother
Lakipia, Marsabit, Kuresoi, Mai Mahiu, Mt. Elgon, Mathare, Kibera, Mbai muderer etc etc.


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sajini,,no no kibaki is a saint these clashes are fueled by those who want to finish him politically ,wit marsabit even bush cant control the situation thea.


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Exactly Wangu
I was using this syllogism to show Njaamba that sometimes things happen which are beyond the eyes of the leader. Our biases aside, I do sometimes feel that we misjudge Moi. I too used to blame him for every evil, real or imagined, but whne the clashes ghost reared its ugly head during Kibaki's reighn, I realized that the problem is deeper than I had imagined.


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Sajini,
You know why clashes are to be blamed on Kibaki, kenyatta and Moi. because they are about our Failed Land Policies. THe clashes are about struggle to get fair distribution of land...

Kibaki Founded KANU. He drafted its manifesto.
Kenyatta was the first president
Moi was KADU national leader and was appointed to represent KADU in kenyatta govt. OKay you are with me Friends.. these are facts.ok.

So what Kibaki did with help of kenyatta is ask for nationalization (Kenyanization of kenya economy) Ndegwa (CBK governor) and others worked to help take assets including land from British to the hands of kenyans.. but in the processs they stole much of the land and they offered the landless small pieces of land in the settlement schemes in RV and other areas.

These settlement schemes were boought by GK from Mzungus and instead of GOK asking the Ancenstors (Natives Maasai and other nomads) to buy the land back from GOK Kenyatta gave the land to kikuyus and other landless tribes.
so what happend in 1990s is the nomads started to agitate for their Ancestoral land back which was given to other unfairly and the genesis of clashes is right there...

So Moi is the devil who stole land from peasants, kibaki is a devil because of the 250000 acres he owns none of it was acquired properly it was stolen from kenyans...

kenyatta family owns 500,000 acres

moi owns 500,000 acres

so who is the cause of the clashes.. the tribal warriors or the thieves above..

what came first the chicken or the egg??????????????????????????????????????????????


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A Devil is a Devil. By any other name, Adevil is a Devil. The Kenya Government has enough resources to fingt any land or tribal animalsity. When the Maasai fought Kikuyus in Mai Mahio, where did the Kibaki Government of saints got resources to fight the Maasai? Where did they get those helicopter? Why have they not been used in Mt. Elegon? Is it that those helicopters can only reach Mai Mahio and Mt. Elegon is too far for them?

Two wrongs (Mois and Kibakis) cant make a right. It is wrong to justfy the missded of Moi just because you cant bring yourself to the truth that Kibaki is Saint Devil.

Haro ni ya muka uri ihii!


Nituinie giting'oe Kari kii!
 
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