Arata akwa nyenda
THImo ino ya gikuyu yugaga atia
'niutumanaga wi muruu'
ndeithiririaii

I have never heard of this one but I think could be simillar to:
Mukuru niatumagwo no kurumwo atarumagwo, I dont really think this was meant for a kihii to assign chores to a mwanake or young woman or elderly. Once circumcised you could ask for those favours and delegate. Once circumcised you could Gutuma kiama etc. In our Gikuyu tradition a kihii was in the same level with an animal, and had no rights any body could beat you for no reason. In my primary school days no teacher called a kihii by name, It was just "we kihii giki kia ng'ania"

Nyamu Njuru
I have never heard of the proverb and I cannot infer its meaning because I am not sure about the intended grapheme.

There are these two possibilities (In conventional Gîkûyû orthography)

1. nîûtûmanaga wî mûruu
2. nîûtumanaga wî mûruu'

I think your interpretation focused on (1) above, but suppose (2) is also possible, what could it mean?

am thinking you wanted to say
Niutumanaga wi murky....which would just mean that when you are a senior/ elder you can ask people to do what you want.

quote:

Originally posted by sajini:
Nyamu Njuru
I have never heard of the proverb and I cannot infer its meaning because I am not sure about the intended grapheme.

There are these two possibilities (In conventional Gîkûyû orthography)

1. nîûtûmanaga wî mûruu
2. nîûtumanaga wî mûruu'

I think your interpretation focused on (1) above, but suppose (2) is also possible, what could it mean?

sajini and Mbui wa karanu
nindamugeithia, Surely never thought of the second probability and could right. I am in this instance beating about the bush. Think of this case scenario; circumcision in Gikuyu tradition, did not remove the prepuce and involved making an incision at the top probably half way amd then passing the glans through the incision and the foreskin now at the bottom formed "Ngwati". The antony of penis is that it can shrink and really shrink and the glans may reappear back in prepuce when it expands, maybe by the time the poor guy unwrapes his wad and the healing has started has to go and get re-circumcised again. From both anatomy and physiological point of view this could easily happen and especially having a rockie Muruithia. What do you guys think?

Nyamu Njuru,
Thanks for this insightful explanation. From your explaination, I see two possible interpretations, one is literal and the other symbolic

At the literal level, a newly circumcised man (using the traditional procedure) could heal the wrong way...the glan going back during shrinkage and hence re-circumcision. I have personally witnessed this. At the symbolic level, I think a circumcised man (mature) may display a level of immaturity similar to an uncircumcised man..ie. gwitua ta kihii.

So in short "Niutumanaga wi muruu" as in "Muthiita niutumanaga ona wi muruu"

kai wagitengura biu mundu wakwa?

Guys,

Na kuri ingi ithiyaga ta uuu "Muthic..... ungi ndamuthuire" What is the literal and deep meaning here.

I mutiuke na ti n aguku ndi!!!

Kanyutu

Well, literally, the proverb is wrong because it ignores cases of ubakaji

It also takes takes sexuality from a male perspective. A man cannot thic- a person he dislikes

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